True or False: Obama will eventually be a top 5 POTUS of all-time

[DEAD7]

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These libertarians jigs think he should have "let the market sort it out" instead of pushing labour policy, allowing union strength, and giving more rope to corporations to develop productivity. The biggest complaint is based around the salaries being "too high" than the "market would have allowed."

"High wages and high prices in an economic slump run contrary to everything we know about market forces in economic downturns," Ohanian said. "As we've seen in the past several years, salaries and prices fall when unemployment is high. By artificially inflating both, the New Deal policies short-circuited the market's self-correcting forces."

 

[Black Nate Grey]

He should be, but the ones who served in the office during times of war will generally be seen above him, as mythical figures. He can't do anything about that. Personally he's #1 to me.

 

[Rocket Scientist]

Probably will be airports named after him.Statues built,might mess around and get a dollar bill

 

[Rocket Scientist]

The first to break any barrier or make history always gets remembered.50 years from now Obama will be talked about.Its just like Jackie Robinson.Yes other may have been greater ,broke records etc but Jackie being the first is all people remember .

 

[HiphopRelated]

That's how countries collapse. Sorting itself out is not how any serious economy operates

 

[Arithmetic]

Top 2 and not 2

 

[mr. smoke weed]

First, how do you grade presidents? Second, how do you grade presidents you've never seen? Third, when does a President's influence start waning? <---------All need to be addressed before trying something so complicated.

 

[Shogun]

Dirty Wars is a good read for judging Obama's foreign policy.

 

[Cat piss martini]

#facts

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Absolutely no way top 5.

Leaving my own personal mixed feelings aside for a second, consider this:


#1: Legislatively, his biggest accomplishment was the ACA, which has continued to have a really messy history and clearly needs to be fixed. It might end up being a step towards universal health care, but he ain't getting full credit for something that isn't going to get fixed until who knows when.

His second biggest accomplishment was the stimulus bill. Again, sort of mixed. Past that no one remembers anything.


#2: Domestically as an inspirational leader, he doesn't have a big moment. I guess the closest you come are his reactions to Trayvon Martin or Charleston, or maybe killing Osama. But he doesn't have any national disaster or great victory that he led us through.


#3: On foreign policy, he had Afghanistan for 8 years and it's still going, he got out of Iraq and then Isis came and we had to go back. The Iran deal and Paris are his two best moves and Trump looks likely to ruin both of them.


And then on the negative side, you have drones, wiretapping, Libya, removing the filibuster on judicial appointments, some sketchy uses of executive power, and a continuation of the increase in partisan conflict.



Obama is going to go down as a smart, well-informed, even-keeled, well-intentioned president who got dealt a lot of shyt hands and made some mistakes, but generally steered the USA competently through his eight years. And the fact that he was a great speaker and broke the color barrier will be remembered.

In the eyes of the public, I don't think that's enough for him to ever move into the top-5.

 

[Scoop]

Not a chance.

Other then a few policies I particularly don't like, I didn't hate him though.

In other words, he's average and he passed the time. But he lacks signature achievements to be in the upper echelon.

Benefited greatly from being a charismatic figure in the social-media era.

 

[wickedsm]

Reagan funded and armed modern day al-quaida so no.

Reagan began his run with a giant dog whistle to racists in Miss, Reagan brought us trickle down economics, Reagan and welfare queens.

 

[TNC]

Lets be honest him being the first to hit that milestone of first black president will cement him as a mythical figure after we are all dead regardless of what he did as president. His speeches will be featured on various montages.

I say his place in history will be dictated on whether Obamacare stays intact within the next 20-30 years since honestly that was his biggest accomplishment.

All biases aside I consider FDR a terrible president and blame him for prolonging the great depression however he created a bunch of social programs that are still here to this day and historians view him with rose colored lenses because of that

so my gut tells me he will be viewed favorably 50 years from now and if Obamacare is still around and strong then he may be considered top 5

As objectively as you can, where do you place Obama?

 

[Slystallion]

As objectively as you can, where do you place Obama?

Since the 60s my rankings

Reagan
Kennedy
Clinton
Obama
Bush Sr
Gwb
Ford
Nixon
Carter

Without Katrina and wall st melt down happening on his watch I would have ranked GWB higher even though he wasn't at fault for financial meltdown and it would have happened even if Al Gore was president

It's a fluid list just quickly put together without deep research so I'm open to different opinions

 

[El Bombi]

Since the 60s my rankings

Reagan
Kennedy
Bush Sr
Clinton
Obama
Bush Sr
Gwb
Ford
Nixon
Carter

Without Katrina and wall st melt down happening on his watch I would have ranked GWB higher even though he wasn't at fault for financial meltdown and it would have happened even if Al Gore was president

It's a fluid list just quickly put together without deep research so I'm open to different opinions