Trump to terminate birthright citizenship

[douche]

President Trump plans to sign an executive order that would remove the right to citizenship for babies of non-citizens and unauthorized immigrants born on U.S. soil, he said yesterday in an exclusive interview for "Axios on HBO," a new four-part documentary news series debuting on HBO this Sunday at 6:30 p.m. ET/PT.

Why it matters: This would be the most dramatic move yet in Trump's hardline immigration campaign, this time targeting "anchor babies" and "chain migration." And it will set off another stand-off with the courts, as Trump’s power to do this through executive action is debatable to say the least.

Trump told "Axios on HBO" that he has run the idea of ending birthright citizenship by his counsel and plans to proceed with the highly controversial move, which certainly will face legal challenges.

• "It was always told to me that you needed a constitutional amendment. Guess what? You don't," Trump said, declaring he can do it by executive order.
• When told that's very much in dispute, Trump replied: "You can definitely do it with an Act of Congress. But now they're saying I can do it just with an executive order."
• "We're the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits," Trump continued. "It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And it has to end."
• "It's in the process. It'll happen ... with an executive order."

The president expressed surprise that "Axios on HBO" knew about his secret plan: "I didn't think anybody knew that but me. I thought I was the only one. "

• Behind the scenes: "Axios on HBO" had been working for weeks on a story on Trump’s plans for birthright citizenship, based on conversations with several sources, including one close to the White House Counsel’s office.

The legal challenges would force the courts to decide on a constitutional debate over the 14th Amendment, which says:

• "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Be smart: Few immigration and constitutional scholars believe it is within the president's power to change birthright citizenship, former U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services chief counsel Lynden Melmed tells Axios.

• But some conservatives have argued that the 14th Amendment was only intended to provide citizenship to children born in the U.S. to lawful permanent residents — not to unauthorized immigrants or those on temporary visas.
• John Eastman, a constitutional scholar and director of Chapman University's Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence, told "Axios on HBO" that the Constitution has been misapplied over the past 40 or so years. He says the line "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" originally referred to people with full, political allegiance to the U.S. — green card holders and citizens.

Michael Anton, a former national security official in the Trump administration, recently took up this argument in the Washington Post.

• Anton said that Trump could, via executive order, "specify to federal agencies that the children of noncitizens are not citizens" simply because they were born on U.S. soil. (It’s not yet clear whether Trump will take this maximalist argument, though his previous rhetoric suggests there’s a good chance.)
• But others — such as Judge James C. Ho, who was appointed by Trump to Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, in New Orleans — say the line in the amendment refers to the legal obligation to follow U.S. laws, which applies to all foreign visitors (except diplomats) and immigrants. He has written that changing how the 14th Amendment is applied would be "unconstitutional."

Between the lines: Until the 1960s, the 14th Amendment was never applied to undocumented or temporary immigrants, Eastman said.

• Between 1980 and 2006, the number of births to unauthorized immigrants — which opponents of birthright citizenship call "anchor babies" — skyrocketed to a peak of 370,000, according to a 2016 study by Pew Research. It then declined slightly during and following the Great Recession.
• The Supreme Court has already ruled that children born to immigrants who are legal permanent residents have citizenship. But those who claim the 14th Amendment should not apply to everyone point to the fact that there has been no ruling on a case specifically involving undocumented immigrants or those with temporary legal status.

The bottom line: If Trump follows through on the executive order, "the courts would have to weigh in in a way they haven't," Eastman said.

The full interview will air on "Axios on HBO" this Sunday, Nov. 4, at 6:30 p.m. ET/PT.

Exclusive: Trump to terminate birthright citizenship

 

[Dr. Acula]

Executive order will be over turned by the courts, rightfully . This is something assured by the Constitution. Then he get to rant about those damn liberal courts.

Wouldn't even worry about this. Purely political. Remember when they used to bytch about Obama using executive orders?

 

[levitate]

In before folks come come in blind to seeing the bigger picture???

 

[3rdWorld]

This thread should help weed out his supporters, so hopefully they get banned.

 

[Afro]

Axios stay putting in the work

I don't doubt anything at this point and I wouldn't assume the courts position.

We'll see

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

At you guys thinking this won’t happen with the courts. This clown just put “I’m mad at all liberals” Kavanaugh on the court.

Thomas + Gorsech+ Alito+ Kavanaugh + Roberts =

It’s over.

 

[ColdSlither]

Isn't the 14th Amendment original purpose to guarantee citizenship to the descendants of slaves? This is slippery slope, rolling back civil rights shyt right here. Do not put it over anyone, that if he does this, that there won't be cops and other law enforcement agencies across the country stopping blacks and asking for papers.

 

[UpAndComing]

At you guys thinking this won’t happen with the courts. This clown just put “I’m mad at all liberals” Kavanaugh on the court.

It’s over.

The Kavanaugh hiring showed that "they" are allowing Trump to go forward with his agenda

 

[WaveMolecules]

His job is literally to defend the constitution.

This is in the constitution.

Bizarro world continues.

 

[J-Fire]

Isn't the 14th Amendment original purpose to guarantee citizenship to the descendants of slaves? This is slippery slope, rolling back civil rights shyt right here. Do not put it over anyone, that if he does this, that there won't be cops and other law enforcement agencies across the country stopping blacks and asking for papers.

Blacks are the least questioned about citizenship. Even whites get questioned more than blacks. Everyone knows blacks belong in the USA...even to the racist point of white people (many blacks too) thinking blacks are from whatever city they are in at a specific time like we don’t move, travel nor work in another city.

 

[ColdSlither]

Blacks are the least questioned about citizenship. Even whites get questioned more than blacks. Everyone knows blacks belong in the USA...even to the racist point of white people (many blacks too) thinking blacks are from whatever city they are in at a specific time like we don’t move, travel nor work in another city.

We're the least questioned about citizenship...... until Trump goes through with this executive order and racist cacs start doing some gold medal mental gymnastics to justify some bullshyt.

 

[J-Fire]

This needs to be anchor baby specific. If you lawfully in the USA and the baby drops it should be a citizen as most women ain’t leaving they country to specifically have a baby in the USA on a work visa or vacation.

Otherwise even Europe will push back talking if they in the USA legally for work etc.... and the baby comes out it should be a USA citizen.

 

[OfTheCross]

President Trump plans to sign an executive order that would remove the right to citizenship for babies of non-citizens and unauthorized immigrants born on U.S. soil, he said yesterday in an exclusive interview for "Axios on HBO," a new four-part documentary news series debuting on HBO this Sunday at 6:30 p.m. ET/PT.

Why it matters: This would be the most dramatic move yet in Trump's hardline immigration campaign, this time targeting "anchor babies" and "chain migration." And it will set off another stand-off with the courts, as Trump’s power to do this through executive action is debatable to say the least.

Trump told "Axios on HBO" that he has run the idea of ending birthright citizenship by his counsel and plans to proceed with the highly controversial move, which certainly will face legal challenges.

• "It was always told to me that you needed a constitutional amendment. Guess what? You don't," Trump said, declaring he can do it by executive order.
• When told that's very much in dispute, Trump replied: "You can definitely do it with an Act of Congress. But now they're saying I can do it just with an executive order."
• "We're the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits," Trump continued. "It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And it has to end."
• "It's in the process. It'll happen ... with an executive order."

The president expressed surprise that "Axios on HBO" knew about his secret plan: "I didn't think anybody knew that but me. I thought I was the only one. "

• Behind the scenes: "Axios on HBO" had been working for weeks on a story on Trump’s plans for birthright citizenship, based on conversations with several sources, including one close to the White House Counsel’s office.

The legal challenges would force the courts to decide on a constitutional debate over the 14th Amendment, which says:

• "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Be smart: Few immigration and constitutional scholars believe it is within the president's power to change birthright citizenship, former U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services chief counsel Lynden Melmed tells Axios.

• But some conservatives have argued that the 14th Amendment was only intended to provide citizenship to children born in the U.S. to lawful permanent residents — not to unauthorized immigrants or those on temporary visas.
• John Eastman, a constitutional scholar and director of Chapman University's Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence, told "Axios on HBO" that the Constitution has been misapplied over the past 40 or so years. He says the line "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" originally referred to people with full, political allegiance to the U.S. — green card holders and citizens.

Michael Anton, a former national security official in the Trump administration, recently took up this argument in the Washington Post.

• Anton said that Trump could, via executive order, "specify to federal agencies that the children of noncitizens are not citizens" simply because they were born on U.S. soil. (It’s not yet clear whether Trump will take this maximalist argument, though his previous rhetoric suggests there’s a good chance.)
• But others — such as Judge James C. Ho, who was appointed by Trump to Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, in New Orleans — say the line in the amendment refers to the legal obligation to follow U.S. laws, which applies to all foreign visitors (except diplomats) and immigrants. He has written that changing how the 14th Amendment is applied would be "unconstitutional."

Between the lines: Until the 1960s, the 14th Amendment was never applied to undocumented or temporary immigrants, Eastman said.

• Between 1980 and 2006, the number of births to unauthorized immigrants — which opponents of birthright citizenship call "anchor babies" — skyrocketed to a peak of 370,000, according to a 2016 study by Pew Research. It then declined slightly during and following the Great Recession.
• The Supreme Court has already ruled that children born to immigrants who are legal permanent residents have citizenship. But those who claim the 14th Amendment should not apply to everyone point to the fact that there has been no ruling on a case specifically involving undocumented immigrants or those with temporary legal status.

The bottom line: If Trump follows through on the executive order, "the courts would have to weigh in in a way they haven't," Eastman said.

The full interview will air on "Axios on HBO" this Sunday, Nov. 4, at 6:30 p.m. ET/PT.

Exclusive: Trump to terminate birthright citizenship

I have no problem with them getting rid of birthright citizenship

 

[Blackout]

We're the least questioned about citizenship...... until Trump goes through with this executive order and racist cacs start doing some gold medal mental gymnastics to justify some bullshyt.

Still wouldn’t effect black people much.

Most black immigrants are legal.

It said illegal and unauthorized immigrants which got Mexicans and others in that area in their scope.

 

[J-Fire]

We're the least questioned about citizenship...... until Trump goes through with this executive order and racist cacs start doing some gold medal mental gymnastics to justify some bullshyt.

Anything is possible. Dems was pandering to blacks and passing the crime bill in 94. But people are better at seeing slick shyt from republicans easier than democrats though....especially as it pertains to blacks.