Trump vs Biden: MAGA vs BUILD BACK BETTER: OFFICIAL FINAL DEBATE THREAD

[AquaCityBoy]

Just how weak Biden is in the debates.

LOLWUT?

 

[Love Sosa]

Coming from Oakland I done met some mean and cruel mufukkas but this mufukka here has zero empathy

Bruh he said “go head” not “good” bc the mod was asking a question

 

[TallMan_J]

not true.

Did you manipulate my quote? I never wrote this. What do you mean?

 

[23Barrettcity]

Just how weak Biden is in the debates. I’m starting to get that 2016 feel where everyone is assuming Biden but Trump takes the electoral. Hope I’m wrong.

Weak now ? Tell me one of Trumps plans on covid , economy, race , healthcare ? Foreign policy ?

 

[JT-Money]

"unlimited"?

also when capital and jobs move overseas ...

I said unlimited immigration and I meant it. Few people remember just how many white collar jobs where outsourced during Obama's Presidency. They gonna learn real quick when jobs don't bounce back after the pandemic

Has Joe Biden Changed His Mind on a Massive Expansion of Legal Immigration?

• Despite 17 million Americans out of work, Joe Biden's campaign website still contains proposals to flood the United States with millions of new immigrant workers — both skilled and unskilled.
• Biden wants to expand the number of high-skilled visas, despite the fact that "nearly every sector of the economy is shedding workers, including manufacturing, construction and even health-care facilities outside of hospitals."
• He wants to eliminate per-country caps on employment-based immigrant visas, a safeguard that prevents green card numbers from being monopolized by citizens of one or two countries, and one that ensures that employment-based visas are available to a truly global pool of talent in a wide variety of occupational sectors.
• Biden plans on exempting from any immigration cap recent graduates of PhD programs in STEM fields in the United States, and giving green cards to all foreign graduates of any U.S. doctoral program with their degrees, despite the fact that there is no proof of a shortage in STEM workers, and the fact that these proposals would put those new immigrants in direct competition with American graduates seeking increasingly limited job opportunities.
• This proposal would most significantly disadvantage African Americans, Hispanics, and women, who are largely underrepresented in most STEM fields.
• He wants to preserve the diversity visa lottery, which requires only extremely limited skills and education, and which brings in up to 50,000 new immigrants per year — many if not most of whom compete directly with low-skilled American workers.
• He wants to create a new agricultural amnesty program, despite the fraud that was endemic in the last agricultural amnesty. Biden's amnesty would apparently require beneficiaries to continue to work for an unspecified period in agriculture.
• Biden also wants to give large and midsized cities and counties authority to sponsor new immigrants. Those municipalities inevitably would be subject to intimidation by local business interests to bring in cheap foreign labor, and the aliens themselves would be forced, under unspecified penalties, to remain and work in those localities for an undefined period of time.
• Biden should be focused on expanding and improving educational opportunities for Americans — citizens, nationals, and lawful immigrants currently present alike — to prepare them to take their place in our economy, instead of swamping a shrinking job market with new foreign labor.

Obama Defends H1B Workers Against Trump's Visa Plans - H1B Help

Meanwhile, President Obama is getting ready to step aside January 20th, but he is pushing forward some new regulations for the H1B program that would take effect January 17th 2017. This will affect the new Trump H1B visa policy in some important ways.

Among the changes is an expansion of the ‘cap exempt’ category for H1B visas, which includes non-profit hospitals, as well as educational and research institutions. Those institutions and their for-profit partners can hire an unlimited number of H1B visa workers, as long as some relationship to the non-profit is in place.

In essence, the rule change will make it easier for companies to partner with non-profits, allowing more employees to be included in the cap-exempt category.

This is significant rule change because one of the challenges of obtaining an H1B visa is making it through the annual lottery each year, where only 85,000 visas are issued to more than 230,000 applicants. Now, a company could circumvent the lottery for H1B workers by partnering with a non-profit, and placing the position in the cap-exempt category.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

thats something that is gonna have to be fixed in the Supreme Court and right now thats a disaster

sotomayor and (of all people) gorsuch seem to be the only ones with a real interest in actually taking the fourth ammendment seriously

Its a very important issue to me but I have given up on it. I could see some support on both sides like you are suggesting but also opposition on both sides. Ultimately I expect it to continue to slide down the slippery slope to the bottom

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Hit dogs will holler. Broke Boy.

Go check the boiler room retard

 

[null]

Did you manipulate my quote? I never wrote this. What do you mean?

I mean that there are degrees to things.

Good != Good.

Bad != Bad.

-

You have prison and you have max security prison because there are degrees to things.

Both sides assumes that all racists are as bad as each other - which might be true morally but is not true in effect.

Hitler's racism effect was worse than that of the old man who used to live at the end of my road.

NB: it's not manipulation. It was done to build a thread. It's linked back to the original comment. Another way to do similar is with bold or spoilers or code sections or colors or whatever but ...

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

Its a very important issue to me but I have given up on it. I could see some support on both sides like you are suggesting but also opposition on both sides. Ultimately I expect it to continue to slide down the slippery slope to the bottom

i cant give up on it i have to believe

its a hard sell because most americans just see it as a criminal defense issue and have little sympathy for defendants. like "if you arent doing anything wrong you have nothing to hide"

the implications are completely misunderstood

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

Just how weak Biden is in the debates. I’m starting to get that 2016 feel where everyone is assuming Biden but Trump takes the electoral. Hope I’m wrong.

No one thinks Trump won any of the debates

 

[JT-Money]

I hate Biden's old decrepit ass. And I still think he mopped the floor with Trump during this debate.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

i cant give up on it i have to believe

its a hard sell because most americans just see it as a criminal defense issue and have little sympathy for defendants. like "if you arent doing anything wrong you have nothing to hide"

the implications are completely misunderstood

I might hate that line of thinking more than anything else

I dont even engage with people who say that anymore. It's a complete non starter

Oh yeah doing nothing wrong..might as well have government cameras in every bedroom then right fukk outta here

Gorsuch has been good with criminal defense...but like you said it's more than that. It completely tramples on due process and basic rights of an individual to have their own shyt to some degree rather than allowing the government into literally everything. Why even have trials? Just put a body cam on every citizen and a wire fukk it then right?

fukk outta here

 

[null]

I said unlimited immigration and I meant it. Few people remember just how many white collar jobs where outsourced during Obama's Presidency. They gonna learn real quick when jobs don't bounce back after the pandemic

Has Joe Biden Changed His Mind on a Massive Expansion of Legal Immigration?

• Despite 17 million Americans out of work, Joe Biden's campaign website still contains proposals to flood the United States with millions of new immigrant workers — both skilled and unskilled.
• Biden wants to expand the number of high-skilled visas, despite the fact that "nearly every sector of the economy is shedding workers, including manufacturing, construction and even health-care facilities outside of hospitals."
• He wants to eliminate per-country caps on employment-based immigrant visas, a safeguard that prevents green card numbers from being monopolized by citizens of one or two countries, and one that ensures that employment-based visas are available to a truly global pool of talent in a wide variety of occupational sectors.
• Biden plans on exempting from any immigration cap recent graduates of PhD programs in STEM fields in the United States, and giving green cards to all foreign graduates of any U.S. doctoral program with their degrees, despite the fact that there is no proof of a shortage in STEM workers, and the fact that these proposals would put those new immigrants in direct competition with American graduates seeking increasingly limited job opportunities.
• This proposal would most significantly disadvantage African Americans, Hispanics, and women, who are largely underrepresented in most STEM fields.
• He wants to preserve the diversity visa lottery, which requires only extremely limited skills and education, and which brings in up to 50,000 new immigrants per year — many if not most of whom compete directly with low-skilled American workers.
• He wants to create a new agricultural amnesty program, despite the fraud that was endemic in the last agricultural amnesty. Biden's amnesty would apparently require beneficiaries to continue to work for an unspecified period in agriculture.
• Biden also wants to give large and midsized cities and counties authority to sponsor new immigrants. Those municipalities inevitably would be subject to intimidation by local business interests to bring in cheap foreign labor, and the aliens themselves would be forced, under unspecified penalties, to remain and work in those localities for an undefined period of time.
• Biden should be focused on expanding and improving educational opportunities for Americans — citizens, nationals, and lawful immigrants currently present alike — to prepare them to take their place in our economy, instead of swamping a shrinking job market with new foreign labor.

Obama Defends H1B Workers Against Trump's Visa Plans - H1B Help

Meanwhile, President Obama is getting ready to step aside January 20th, but he is pushing forward some new regulations for the H1B program that would take effect January 17th 2017. This will affect the new Trump H1B visa policy in some important ways.

Among the changes is an expansion of the ‘cap exempt’ category for H1B visas, which includes non-profit hospitals, as well as educational and research institutions. Those institutions and their for-profit partners can hire an unlimited number of H1B visa workers, as long as some relationship to the non-profit is in place.

In essence, the rule change will make it easier for companies to partner with non-profits, allowing more employees to be included in the cap-exempt category.

This is significant rule change because one of the challenges of obtaining an H1B visa is making it through the annual lottery each year, where only 85,000 visas are issued to more than 230,000 applicants. Now, a company could circumvent the lottery for H1B workers by partnering with a non-profit, and placing the position in the cap-exempt category.

"unlimited"?

also I find it hard to wade through intellectual tripe..

why does?

• Biden plans on exempting from any immigration cap recent graduates of PhD programs in STEM fields in the United States, and giving green cards to all foreign graduates of any U.S. doctoral program with their degrees, despite the fact that there is no proof of a shortage in STEM workers, and the fact that these proposals would put those new immigrants in direct competition with American graduates seeking increasingly limited job opportunities.

result in these specific points?

• This proposal would most significantly disadvantage African Americans, Hispanics, and women, who are largely underrepresented in most STEM fields.

and I am asking a very specific question.

 

[23Barrettcity]

I said unlimited immigration and I meant it. Few people remember just how many white collar jobs where outsourced during Obama's Presidency. They gonna learn real quick when jobs don't bounce back after the pandemic

Has Joe Biden Changed His Mind on a Massive Expansion of Legal Immigration?

• Despite 17 million Americans out of work, Joe Biden's campaign website still contains proposals to flood the United States with millions of new immigrant workers — both skilled and unskilled.
• Biden wants to expand the number of high-skilled visas, despite the fact that "nearly every sector of the economy is shedding workers, including manufacturing, construction and even health-care facilities outside of hospitals."
• He wants to eliminate per-country caps on employment-based immigrant visas, a safeguard that prevents green card numbers from being monopolized by citizens of one or two countries, and one that ensures that employment-based visas are available to a truly global pool of talent in a wide variety of occupational sectors.
• Biden plans on exempting from any immigration cap recent graduates of PhD programs in STEM fields in the United States, and giving green cards to all foreign graduates of any U.S. doctoral program with their degrees, despite the fact that there is no proof of a shortage in STEM workers, and the fact that these proposals would put those new immigrants in direct competition with American graduates seeking increasingly limited job opportunities.
• This proposal would most significantly disadvantage African Americans, Hispanics, and women, who are largely underrepresented in most STEM fields.
• He wants to preserve the diversity visa lottery, which requires only extremely limited skills and education, and which brings in up to 50,000 new immigrants per year — many if not most of whom compete directly with low-skilled American workers.
• He wants to create a new agricultural amnesty program, despite the fraud that was endemic in the last agricultural amnesty. Biden's amnesty would apparently require beneficiaries to continue to work for an unspecified period in agriculture.
• Biden also wants to give large and midsized cities and counties authority to sponsor new immigrants. Those municipalities inevitably would be subject to intimidation by local business interests to bring in cheap foreign labor, and the aliens themselves would be forced, under unspecified penalties, to remain and work in those localities for an undefined period of time.
• Biden should be focused on expanding and improving educational opportunities for Americans — citizens, nationals, and lawful immigrants currently present alike — to prepare them to take their place in our economy, instead of swamping a shrinking job market with new foreign labor.

Obama Defends H1B Workers Against Trump's Visa Plans - H1B Help

Meanwhile, President Obama is getting ready to step aside January 20th, but he is pushing forward some new regulations for the H1B program that would take effect January 17th 2017. This will affect the new Trump H1B visa policy in some important ways.

Among the changes is an expansion of the ‘cap exempt’ category for H1B visas, which includes non-profit hospitals, as well as educational and research institutions. Those institutions and their for-profit partners can hire an unlimited number of H1B visa workers, as long as some relationship to the non-profit is in place.

In essence, the rule change will make it easier for companies to partner with non-profits, allowing more employees to be included in the cap-exempt category.

This is significant rule change because one of the challenges of obtaining an H1B visa is making it through the annual lottery each year, where only 85,000 visas are issued to more than 230,000 applicants. Now, a company could circumvent the lottery for H1B workers by partnering with a non-profit, and placing the position in the cap-exempt category.

You and @Captain_Crunch should go make a Trump Appreciation thread cause you got zero smoke for a candidate’ with no actual policies or plans

trump loves H2B
A Vox analysis of hiring records for seasonal workers at three Trump properties in New York and Florida revealed that only one out of 144 jobs went to a US worker from 2016 to the end of 2017. Foreign guest workers with H-2B visas got the rest.

Javier Zarracina/Vox
The H-2B visa program allows seasonal, non-agricultural employers — like hotels and ski resorts — to hire foreign workers when they can’t find American ones. The Trump administration temporarily expanded this guest-worker program in 2017 while restricting other avenues of legal immigration, including the H-1B program for high-skilled workers.

The Trump Organization is exactly the kind of company that relies on the H-2B visa program for low-skilled workers.

 

[TallMan_J]

How do you get tangibles by not voting?

Okay. You’re playing stupid. Stop quoting me. If you genuinely don’t know, it’s been explained countless times. I recommend YouTube, various articles, and multiple threads here on TheColi. What you decide to use to inform yourself is up to you.


I’m not wasting my time with you though. I don’t engage with morons. You’ve definitely earned that “WOAT” banner.