Trumpism has completely destroyed the Republican party.
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In America. Put them anywhere else and they are most likely center-right or right-of-center.Dems are center left.
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Who is both?They're both centre left.
The current democratic platform is most certainly not centre right.
Which takes us back to the beginning of this thought exercise which says Democrats aren't moderate which they almost certainly have to be due to the big tend nature of the party.
Dems are center left.
They are "center left" in a political spectrum that has shifted rightward over the past 50-60 years.
Are we going to pretend like Democrats like Clinton and Obama are the same as Democrats like Johnson and Bobby Kennedy?
Without that context, the label "center left" doesn't mean much except that they're between conservatives and progressives. Ok cool. Given how nutty conservatives have become, is that something to be proud of?
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The Dems have also foolishly allowed the right wing to dictate the conversation about policy for decades so the result is brain dead Americans thinking universal healthcare is a communist plot to destroy America. It completely ignores the reality that plenty of first world countries are capitalist and have this.
It’s also fooled Americans into thinking mass bailouts of corporations who improperly ran their companies is somehow capitalism when’s actually not at all. It flies in the face of free market principles but it’s not like the brainwashed people like the ones in this thread are going to point it out.
It’s also fooled Americans into thinking mass bailouts of corporations who improperly ran their companies is somehow capitalism when’s actually not at all. It flies in the face of free market principles but it’s not like the brainwashed people like the ones in this thread are going to point it out.
Obama is further left than Clinton, but that's really irrelevant to the point I'm attempting to make.
We operate in a two party system and the Democratic party is the big tent party that covers a larger portion of the political spectrum than what you see in European style parliamentary governments which they're unfairly being compared to.
Social liberalism is still a tenant of the Dem party and the main platform. The same goes for a lot of egalitarian prolicies.
Over 2/3 of the Dem base considers themselves to be in the centrists to center left lane.
And based on polling the majority of dem voters support center left policy.
That said, the structure of our government almost guarantees party results will be somewhat centrist despite ideology.
It's not like the dems win parliament here and form government.
Are we no longer accusing the DNC of sharking Sanders 2016 platform?Who is both?
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Based on the polling republican voters also support a ton of actual center left policy as well... just saying
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Are you attempting to make some insane claim that Biden is running on Sanders 2016 platform....
Who else operates under a two party system?
I didnt mention Biden.
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Just because it’s a two party system doesn’t mean we should be out here lying that democrats aren't actually a center right Conservative party. It being a two party system doesn’t change any of that.
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Then who? No one in this primary ran on his 2016 except Bernie, so excuse my ignorance but I have no fukking idea who ur talking aboutI didnt mention Biden.
Obama is further left than Clinton, but that's really irrelevant to the point I'm attempting to make.
We operate in a two party system and the Democratic party is the big tent party that covers a larger portion of the political spectrum than what you see in European style parliamentary governments which they're unfairly being compared to.
Social liberalism is still a tenant of the Dem party and the main platform. The same goes for a lot of egalitarian prolicies.
Over 2/3 of the Dem base considers themselves to be in the centrists to center left lane.
And based on polling the majority of dem voters support center left policy.
That said, the structure of our government almost guarantees party results will be somewhat centrist despite ideology.
It's not like the dems win parliament here and form government.
I agree with your post for the most part, but regarding the bolded, you can surely see how if the Democrats made the deliberate choice to be the big tent party, their tent would drift rightwards in some aspects, to maintain swing voters who would otherwise identify with a radicalized Republican party? Social liberalism is still a tenant of the Democrat party, but can you say the same regarding labor, prisons, welfare, the military, and so on?
For what it's worth I think breaking up the two party system would be ideal. Then coalitions such as between progressives and centrists for example, would involve compromises on both sides.
Some of you need to shut the hell up with "Democrats according to European standards would be center-right". We know but this isn't Europe.
Also, the Democratic Party has a wide range of views. The Democratic Party has a bigger ideological tent than the Republicans by far. Finally, the Democratic Party shifted to the right due to the rightward shift of the country (due to racist and "racially anxious" White voters after the Civil Rights Movement).
Only one Democrat was elected from 1968 until 1992. Ronald Reagan's presidency demonized government-funded intivaites and programs as "socialism/communism" and portrayed the Democrats as being "weak on crime" (you guys already know what that means).
In 1992, the Democrats had lost 3 straight presidential elections in a row (and all by decent margins too). Democratic voters nominated a young and charismatic governor who was more to the right than previous Democratic nominees.....and it worked. Billy the Comeback Kid won....and then he was re-elected. A Democratic president hadn't been re-elected since FDR in 1944.
The Democratic establishment was going to adopt "Third Way" as a result to trying to keep up with the Republican Party. The Democratic establishment should abandon "Third Way" politics for good in this day and age though.
Also, the Democratic Party has a wide range of views. The Democratic Party has a bigger ideological tent than the Republicans by far. Finally, the Democratic Party shifted to the right due to the rightward shift of the country (due to racist and "racially anxious" White voters after the Civil Rights Movement).
Only one Democrat was elected from 1968 until 1992. Ronald Reagan's presidency demonized government-funded intivaites and programs as "socialism/communism" and portrayed the Democrats as being "weak on crime" (you guys already know what that means).
In 1992, the Democrats had lost 3 straight presidential elections in a row (and all by decent margins too). Democratic voters nominated a young and charismatic governor who was more to the right than previous Democratic nominees.....and it worked. Billy the Comeback Kid won....and then he was re-elected. A Democratic president hadn't been re-elected since FDR in 1944.
The Democratic establishment was going to adopt "Third Way" as a result to trying to keep up with the Republican Party. The Democratic establishment should abandon "Third Way" politics for good in this day and age though.