Trumpism has completely destroyed the Republican party.

[Conan]

Some of you need to shut the hell up with "Democrats according to European standards would be center-right". We know but this isn't Europe.

Also, the Democratic Party has a wide range of views. The Democratic Party has a bigger ideological tent than the Republicans by far. Finally, the Democratic Party shifted to the right due to the rightward shift of the country (due to racist and "racially anxious" White voters after the Civil Rights Movement).

Only one Democrat was elected from 1968 until 1992. Ronald Reagan's presidency demonized government-funded intivaites and programs as "socialism/communism" and portrayed the Democrats as being "weak on crime" (you guys already know what that means).

In 1992, the Democrats had lost 3 straight presidential elections in a row (and all by decent margins too). Democratic voters nominated a young and charismatic governor who was more to the right than previous Democratic nominees.....and it worked. Billy the Comeback Kid won....and then he was re-elected. A Democratic president hadn't been re-elected since FDR in 1944.

The Democratic establishment was going to adopt "Third Way" as a result to trying to keep up with the Republican Party. The Democratic establishment should abandon "Third Way" politics for good in this day and age though.

Exactly, all I've been trying to say

I will say that the tension we are seeing in the party today is a direct result of that rightward shift. Which is why for me, labels like "center left" have little meaning without the context you accurately stated. And long-term this tension has to be resolved one way or another. Either that rightward drift stops, or voters disillusioned with having to choose between a ultra right or "center left" (actually center right) platform will sit out more and more.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

“Some of you need to shut the hell up accurately describing where Democrats fall on the political spectrum”.

How about no

Once again, falsely labeling the Democratic Party as a center left party only helps the GOP control the conversation. There is nothing good that comes from it.

 

[Pressure]

Just because it’s a two party system doesn’t mean we should be out here lying that democrats aren't actually a center right Conservative party. It being a two party system doesn’t change any of that.

Then who? No one in this primary ran on his 2016 except Bernie, so excuse my ignorance but I have no fukking idea who ur talking about

Party Platform - Democrats

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Party Platform - Democrats

Please tell me all center left policies that the Democrats are adopting? They were literally pushing fukking pay go which would undermine a ton of progressive policy agendas

FOH

 

[mastermind]

Are we no longer accusing the DNC of sharking Sanders 2016 platform?

That universal healthcare platform that the Dems don’t want to see especially the party’s nominee?

And from what I recall, the convo is that the Dems have moved more left, not that they were a left-wing party.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

I think this is going to destroy the Dems too

 

[King Static X]

“Some of you need to shut the hell up accurately describing where Democrats fall on the political spectrum”.

How about no

Once again, falsely labeling the Democratic Party as a center left party only helps the GOP control the conversation. There is nothing good that comes from it.

Do we live in Europe? Or do you live in Europe? If not, then shut up.

The Democrats can't run nationwide being as left wing as European left wing parties. The Democratic Party would be annihilated.

However, like I said, the Democratic establishment should give up Third Wayism for good.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Do we live in Europe? Or do you live in Europe? If not, then shut up.

The Democrats can't run nationwide being as left wing as European left wing parties. The Democratic Party would be annihilated.

However, like I said, the Democratic establishment should give up Third Wayism for good.

Who in this thread is advocating for them to run a full socialist agenda? That’s not even the conversation.

the point is falsely labeling them as center left allows republicans to control the conversation. People need to understand that Democrats are actually the Conservative party and that Republicans are a far right party.

It would actually give the Democrats the ability to move further left without being labeled as communists, it would allow them to label the republicans rightfully as extremists and they could move forward calling their new policies as a course correction to bring American citizens livelihood to actual first world standards

You're suggesting that people should keep their heads in the sands to the fact that the only people currently making decisions within government are conservatives or far right extremists.

 

[Pressure]

the point is falsely labeling them as center left allows republicans to control the conversation. People need to understand that Democrats are actually the Conservative party and that Republicans are a far right party.

How babble

 

[Pressure]

That universal healthcare platform that the Dems don’t want to see especially the party’s nominee?

And from what I recall, the convo is that the Dems have moved more left, not that they were a left-wing party.

The conversation Actually began with you guys saying that the Democratic party isn't center left, moderate, or centrist.

That statement isn't true.

Let's look back.

You wanna call Biden a “corporatist” or a “conservative” Democrat I’ll listen, but he isn’t a “moderate” by any stretch of the imagination

Liz Warren is probably the close thing to a “moderate” on the political scale. Bernie is slightly left and would be a conservative in Europe.

Most Democrats are on the right. Just because the republicans are basically fascists at this point doesn’t mean we should lie about what most democrats are. They won’t even give the general public a fukking short term UBI in a god damn pandemic. It’s a joke to act as if most democrats aren’t conservative in their governance in this country.

Being cool with gay marriage while enacting a brutal crime bill like Clinton did doesn’t make you a fukking moderate, it makes you a conservative and someone who absolutely sits on the right side of the political spectrum

I’m just tired of hearing people refer to a man who’s spent his career assaulting the social safety net and doing NOTHING to help the citizens of this country as a moderate, because it’s 100% bullshyt.

It skews our already turbo right leaning political parties even further to the right than they already a re

I think I see the problem. You all think someone who has center left and center right views is merely center right.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

How babble

I'd refer to something I'm clearly not smart enough to understand as babble too. You're just another dumbass house broken American.

 

[Pressure]

I'd refer to something I'm clearly not smart enough to understand as babble too. You're just another dumbass house broken American.

It's only so long before you guys break character.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

The conversation Actually began with you guys saying that the Democratic party isn't center left, moderate, or centrist.

That statement isn't true.

Let's look back.




I think I see the problem. You all think someone who has center left and center right views is merely center right.

Biden's policies have never been left of center. You think someone who says they have center left view, then never does center left policy is a moderate. You're just a moron.

Like I said another house broken American moron.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

It's only so long before you guys break character.

What character might that be. Calling someone who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about stupid? Or are you trying to refer something else as a defensive mechanism since I've back you into a corner? None of the points you've made have been worth a shyt. Not only that your suggestions don't help anyone but the status quo so I'd be careful with that next response about what my character is when you're the one pushing this nonsense that Biden or the DNC have EVER been center left in these past 30 years

 

[Pressure]

Biden's policies have never been left of center. You think someone who says they have center left view, then never does center left policy is a modern. You're just a moron.

Like I said another house broken American moron.

You said Biden isn't a centrist. Shut up cac.