Twitter argument: Do black men have privilege?

[Roland Coltrane]

I read the book about a week after it came out.
And sexual assault in prisons can vary from 1-3%, a siginificant issue, but not at all comparable to that of Black women.
And I have yet to have heard a single woman who talks about "rape culture" also make prison-rape jokes. This is just a trope trotted out by men who are attempting to silence women.

i'm not trying to silence anybody

lmaoooo at you calling a fact you don't like a "trope"

and a variance of 1-3% has little impact on the fact that MORE men get raped overall if you include prison

as far as your anecdotal claim that YOU haven't seen women make prison rape jokes doesn't mean that I and others haven't

 

[Roland Coltrane]

 

[Marc Spector]

Youre a deluded fool if you don't think Black men don't have male privilege.

Now, as one poster keeps repeatedly saying: you mostly have to put in context the extent of Black Male Privilege. Meaning since Black people as a whole lack systematic socioeconomic influence, Black Male Privilege doesn't extend as high as White Male privilege.

Now you may say "DUR Feminazis using a bs idea like Black male privilege to cause further division!"

Bullshyt. The central point of any sort of activism is to bring attention and more accountability to social injustices. And by the looks of the Black social structure in relation to male/female dynamics (staggering numbers of children out of wedlock, rampancy of child support system, domestic abuse, women in poverty, that fact that the face and "real victims" of Black injustice are black males) says that something is wrong with the way Black Women are treated in our society and as Black MEN we are obligated to help find an answer.

Sure enough, Systematic racism is a HUGE factors as racism creates impoverished circumstances for minorities and with poverty comes a host of other issues. BUT AT SOME POINT to fix a disease, you have to realize youre sick in the first place. Gender was the first social construct and the one we hold and cling to far more THAN ANY OTHER (INCLUDING RACE). So that's why society as A WHOLE is quite willing to keep shytting on women.

 

[underwaterboogiebaby]

Yes black men have privilege. They can go to a barber shop and get told all kinds of juicy secrets. If I visit a barber shop, conversations become more quiet and am not privy to chatter. They can also get daps and special handshakes from other men, but I on the other hand, am NEVER greeted like a breh. They can navigate the waters of sexuality with more ease(it is fine for them to dominate, but weird when I want to use a strap on). And well, one more, but that's like beating a dead horse so i'm not even going to mention it.

 

[EndDomination]

i'm not trying to silence anybody

lmaoooo at you calling a fact you don't like a "trope"

and a variance of 1-3% has little impact on the fact that MORE men get raped overall if you include prison

as far as your anecdotal claim that YOU haven't seen women make prison rape jokes doesn't mean that I and others haven't

Receipts. I take n=1 evidence on an Internet forum w/ a grain of salt.
And its not a "fact" its a trope, that's why I called it one.
Women are sexually assaulted more than men, and more Black women are sexually assaulted than men. I'm not debating this. Its not debatable anyway.
Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Female Victims of Sexual Violence, 1994-2010
Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Victimizations Not Reported to the Police, 2006-2010
Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Criminal Victimization, 2014

 

[Roland Coltrane]

Receipts. I take n=1 evidence on an Internet forum w/ a grain of salt.
And its not a "fact" its a trope, that's why I called it one.
Women are sexually assaulted more than men, and more Black women are sexually assaulted than men. I'm not debating this. Its not debatable anyway.
Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Female Victims of Sexual Violence, 1994-2010
Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Victimizations Not Reported to the Police, 2006-2010
Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Criminal Victimization, 2014

you disingenuous intellectually dishonest a$$hole, you

NONE of the links you provided refute the rape statistics
in fact, NONE of them even make a male/female comparison


did you even bother to read the links before you posted them??

you're ridiculous, and firmly entrenched in parroting dogma

i'm done here


nice deflection tactic tho

 

[The Oracle]

This thread is like what would happen if these two had a debate.

I'll let ya'll figure out who is who...

 

[Arris]

Its not
Men on this site minimize women's issues, to the point of threads like this, where they play stupid, or try to make it a contest.
Women on that site minimize men's issues. The difference being there are hundreds of threads on that site dedicated to talking about the issues facing Black men, and there may be two on this site that focus on issues facing Black women.

there's also a subforum dedicated to swirling over there

guys on here are more than willing to pile on and talk about the men in the community. and im gonna need receipts on how little we pay attention to womens issues. especially considering the owners of the site relented and gave the ladies their own subforum to discuss what they wanted with minimal male input.

 

[Matriarchy Refugee]

black liberals are becoming just as clownish as black conservatives.

 

[Anwulika]

What I'm saying is that as a black man, it's very easy to ask and expect black woman to take up the banner and ride for us because we're not being victimized at a high rate by black women. Our issues are primarily being caused by white men. The same cannot be said for black women; around 50% of which have been sexually assault (in large part by black men), 20% raped (in large part by black men), and are 4x more likely to be murdered by a significant other than their white counterparts. We can't even get black men in this thread to acknowledge that they have certain privileges, and these are the nikkas i'm supposed to tell my daughter to follow? Nah, b. I don't want intra-racial division, but if I was a black woman, I wouldn't have much faith in black men to solve my problems when they're either a significant perpetrator of them or ignoring them. Of course every black man who is murdered by police or victimized in some other way is some black woman's son or brother or husband, so it's not as if these issues are completely gendered, but it's quite obvious there is a problem here.

I agree with you that a lot of black women are victimised by black men. However, I've realised this to be an indirect result of White supremacy- the white man emasculates the black man, who takes out his anger on the black woman. Therefore, the only way for us to combat these issues is to take out the cause first- cut the snake by its head, if you will. Essentially, we must raise our sons to feel like men, give them proper responsibility, a sense of worthiness etc. I feel that by helping to do this (along with black men),instead of contesting to see who is the most victimised, black women will be able to help both black men and women's issues- killing two birds with one stone.

 

[godkiller]

We get higher pay than Black women.

This stat is bs in general and I'd imagine even more so in this case with black women employment far above black male

Black men only make more money than black women because black men work fewer BS jobs like secretary. Black males do labor, which tends to pay well. But choosing to do labor because you don't have any other isn't a "privilege". Take away these jobs, and black males make less than black women.

 

[philmonroe]

Except this whole thread is the perfect example of black dudes dismissing black women's issues. Some of y'all sound just like white people denying their privilege.

"I'm in debt, have to work two jobs, and can barely feed my family. Yes I may be white, but what privilege do I have?"

^^^Imagine a white person saying this, and how dismissive he would be of our issues as black people. Its that same dynamic with any type of privilege. The dominate group is always ignorant of its privilege in relation to the minority group. Privilege is like our noses. Its right there in our faces, but we can't see it.

fakkit whats your point? Some white person struggling don't have any privilege. If they had some they wouldn't struggle. Only the top people have privilege the rest of these regular ass white folks ain't getting no fukking privilege that's why they just as broke as everyone else. Some of y'all just love sucking white people off.

 

[End Cruelty]

Just be yourself and do what you feel is right. Debates don't change anything. They do lead to the sharing of opinions and facts, though.

After thinking about it, black men do have certain privileges but it's not a bad thing. I think everyone can stand to go out of their way to learn about things other than their self. Black mens' advantages are at no one's expense unless that man chooses to exploit someone. The same cannot be said for white males, singularly and as a whole.

 

[godkiller]

I agree with you that a lot of black women are victimised by black men. However, I've realised this to be an indirect result of White supremacy- the white man emasculates the black man, who takes out his anger on the black woman. Therefore, the only way for us to combat these issues is to take out the cause first- cut the snake by its head, if you will. Essentially, we must raise our sons to feel like men, give them proper responsibility, a sense of worthiness etc. I feel that by helping to do this (along with black men),instead of contesting to see who is the most victimised, black women will be able to help both black men and women's issues- killing two birds with one stone.

Well, many black males are put in precarious positions (i.e. sustained under- and unemployment), which studies say lead to more mental and societal issues (i.e. alocholism, depression, etc) per capita, which shows up as more violence in data. So I agree with what you're saying about black children, but a solution needs to be contrived for black men too. A solution that eliminates or mitigates the fact white male high school dropouts get employed faster than a black male college graduate.

 

[Marc Spector]

And yknow what fukk it, ima take it a step further:

Black male privilege has gotten stronger outside the realm of the Black Community.

America voluntarily elected a Black man as the President of the United States of America.

While I still Black Men are heavily reviled. And feared. And brutally mistreated,

I, as A BLACK MAN, can say that ive seen some progress in how Black Men are treated in our society.

Before anyone says different? Peep this:

We're fukking, marrying, and having children with White women now more than ever. Once again, A BLACK MAN was elected president. The leading iconic sportsmen of our time are mostly considered Black Men (Bron, Kobe, Floyd, Lewis Hamilton, Tiger, Steph). At one point in time WILL SMITH was the biggest action star on the planet. Oh and our BLACK MALE musicians and artists are becoming the definitive voices of our generation and are steering the course of POP CULTURE AS A WHOLE (Ye, Kendrick, Drake, Future, Rocky, Tyler the Creator, Jay, Gucci, are just a few of the more contemporary examples).

"But but Beyoncé and Shonda Rhimes and Oprah and Serena and Michelle Obama!". Yes very iconic and influential Black Women. Also, the only 5 examples of Black women who rival the near 10+ examples of black men I listed.

Before anyone says "but bbut police brutality!!"...Yes its an issue. Yes you could say that the national dialogue incensed the police and racists even more. But here's the thing: Black men have been being killed by the police for GENERATIONS. It isn't new. WHile the power the internet has made dialogue on issues far more prevalent, I don't think its a coincidence that in the same generation our country elects a Black Man president that also a previously underreported issue in White society (of which BLACK MEN are the face off) becomes quite possibly the most DEFINTIVE issue revolving Blacks in our country. Oh and even better? youd be surprised at the amount of WHITE PEOPLE who are in the trenches supporting an issue that BLACK MALES are the face off.

AM I SAYING shytS ALL GRAVY FOR BLACK MEN? No. Not at all. What im saying is that looking in the mirror and realizing that its not just about US IS SOMETHING WE AS BLACK MEN COLLECTIVELY SHOULD DO.