Ty Dolla $ign and Babyface's "Solid" is the BEST Country Music song ever

[DJDONTNOBODYPAYME]

So this OP tard thinks anything with acoustic guitar in it is country?

You ain't even listen to the song tho, Ol face ass nikka

 

[Grand Conde]

That's my beef besides being wrong with his stance

Someone should tell him about the genre known as 'folk'.

 

[RTF]

genres do have common things that make them a genre



Grime is basically a UK take on HipHop




reggae fusion is what they call it (dancehall with Hiphop/R&B)





These are variations of HipHop influenced urban music





The Grime is essentially Rap,the other are HipHop influenced




I disagree.




yes, it's a sound within R&B





Dancehall is not quite rapping, Grime is.





Thicke and Sam Smith are both considered "R&B or Blue eyed soul" in the USA

Grime is not a UK take on hip hop. UK hip hop is a UK take on hip hop. It essentially sounds the same as American hip hop with British accents & themes like the below.

Grime is at a tempo similar to one of it's main influencers - Jungle. The clash, war and dub culture of Grime is more akin to dancehall/bashment. Grime would still exist if Kool Herc never brought Dub and Sound Boi culture from Jamaica. Of course they have similarities but they are not the same genre of music. You couldn't play this alongside Nas or Young Thug, it's different.


Okay but "Reggae Fusion" is not hip hop although Girls Dem Sugar if performed by Ja Rule would just be considered a hip hop track with Reggae influence. It sounds like what it is - a Neptunes beat with Reggae influence, technically it's a hip hop beat but the performer makes it a different genre. Do you get it? Dude is a straight up Dancehall track. It's not a Fusion of anything. Everything about it is Dancehall.

Rapping does not equal hip hop. That's my point. "Urban music" is not a genre. My Way is a hip hop song and there's no rapping from the lead performer. Locked Up is a hip hop song, likewise no rapping.

Sam Smith album won the Best Pop album at the Grammy's. If he's black it doesn't get nominated for that. Surely you know that?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Grime is not a UK take on hip hop. UK hip hop is a UK take on hip hop. It essentially sounds the same as American hip hop with British accents & themes like the below.

UK Rap is a straight copy of American Rap.Grime is a distinctly UK take on Rap/HipHop


Skepta on Grime

@ :08 secs




@ 1:36



There are numerous early opinions from mid 2000's on what Grime was and most claimed it was a mix of UK Garage, HipHop and Dancehall.

Grime is at a tempo similar to one of it's main influencers - Jungle. The clash, war and dub culture of Grime is more akin to dancehall/bashment. Grime would still exist if Kool Herc never brought Dub and Sound Boi culture from Jamaica. Of course they have similarities but they are not the same genre of music. You couldn't play this alongside Nas or Young Thug, it's different.

^^see my above post

Okay but "Reggae Fusion" is not hip hop although

Reggae fusion can be HipHop...it's just a matter of how much jamaica vs usa is going on in the song

Girls Dem Sugar if performed by Ja Rule would just be considered a hip hop track with Reggae influence.

it's just a matter of how much jamaica vs usa is going on in the song to alter perception

It sounds like what it is - a Neptunes beat with Reggae influence, technically it's a hip hop beat but the performer makes it a different genre. Do you get it? Dude is a straight up Dancehall track. It's not a Fusion of anything. Everything about it is Dancehall.

That song is is no way traditional dancehall

Rapping does not equal hip hop. That's my point.

Rapping as we know it today is HipHop. Find me a music that did this pre-HipHop over H

Rapping (or emceeing,[1] MCing,[1] spitting bars,[2] or rhyming)[3] is "spoken or chanted rhyming lyrics".[4] The components of rapping include "content", "flow" (rhythm and rhyme), and "delivery".[5] Rapping is distinct from spoken-word poetry in that it is performed in time to a beat.[6][7]

more expanded definition

" Rather than riding the beat with a constant flow of syncopated syllables as rappers have since the late 70s, Jamaica’s DJs of the 60s and early 70s and hip-hop’s earliest DJs/MCs would pepper songs with short phrases, often in the form of rhyming couplets, employing the latest slang (including scat-filled routines), and often in a relatively free manner — i.e., without relating too directly to the rhythm of the track playing on the turntable (but frequently connecting to the track’s theme or to specific lyrics or connotations the song may have)."

wayneandwax.com » Kool Herc: A Biographical Essay

A bit more on the differences between the Disco Dj's and the Herc scenes and how they impacted the formation of HipHop

From the article below:

"In contrast to Herc's pulled-ups and needle drops, disco dj's favored smooth segues from track to track. They also tended to rap in a more mellifluous style, relating directly, if casually, to the steady beats of the music they were playing, and stringing together long verse like presentations of their own set of stock phrases rather than the freer, more fragmented interjections of the Herculords and their streetwise colleagues. The next generation of hiphop Dj's and Mc's would synthesize these distinct strands, refining (if not outright commercializing) "street" style while bringing in a harder edge to the smooth surfaces of club rap and disco djing."

"Urban music" is not a genre.

It's a macro genre

My Way is a hip hop song and there's no rapping from the lead performer.

He's raping in a sing songy way

Locked Up is a hip hop song, likewise no rapping.

Akon song? That's R&B + HipHop

Sam Smith album won the Best Pop album at the Grammy's. If he's black it doesn't get nominated for that. Surely you know that?

That's a marketing tactic that's been going on since the false distinction between Rhytm and Blues and Rock N Roll.




Nothing to do with the music. People who listen to his music consider him "Blue eyed soul" aka R&B

 

[RTF]

LOL we not getting anywhere. RAP does not equal HIP HOP. Gangnam Style has rapping, it's not hip hop. Saying Rap is a genre of music is like saying Singing is a genre of music. You can be a fan of the skill of rapping and that will take you across multiple genres.

I'm from the grime culture bro. Listen to anyone involved. We talk about Hip Hop & Grime as separate genres. @WickedGames tell this guy please it's not hip hop.


You're clueless man. "Dude" is a straight modern dancehall track. It's originally called the Fiesta riddim.

One minute what Beenie Man does isn't rapping but what fetty Wap does - is? Okay bro.



This is rapping and it's not hip hop music.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

LOL we not getting anywhere. RAP does not equal HIP HOP.

Gangnam Style has rapping, it's not hip hop.

Rap + EDM. No different from HipHouse

Saying Rap is a genre of music is like saying Singing is a genre of music. You can be a fan of the skill of rapping and that will take you across multiple genres.

No. Rapping a distinct style of rythmic rhyming. Singing overall is broader, you can break it down to specific styles after you pick out the distinct qualities

I'm from the grime culture bro. Listen to anyone involved. We talk about Hip Hop & Grime as separate genres. @WickedGames tell this guy please it's not hip hop.

Chimpunk is rapping in the HipHop sense...nothing dancehall-like about it. I posted sources straight from the grime culture, it's clearly a sub genre of Rap/HipHop mixed with various influences of dancehall and electronica beats. For example, a breakdown I did before



The ragga influenced delivery is different.....

@ :29 midwest hiphop flow (twista)

@ 1:08 midwest Hiphop flow w/ British tinge (lethal b )

@1:50 midwest mixed with heavy dancehall ragga flow (gabby)




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straight midwest hiphop flow but with East Coast influence






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straight midwest hiphop flow but with East Coast influence
+ w/ british tinge




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southern hiphop chanting style





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southern hiphop chanting style w/ british tinge

You're clueless man. "Dude" is a straight modern dancehall track. It's originally called the Fiesta riddim.

I thought we was talking about the track with Mya? The one with Shawna is Dancehall+ HipHop

One minute what Beenie Man does isn't rapping but what fetty Wap does - is? Okay bro.

^^I wouldn't call that rapping

This is rapping and it's not hip hop music.

Some of this is closer to rap but not quite. It has something to do with the delivery and syncopation along with the production. With dancehall, there is a more freelance toasting style and a more syncopated style to the beat in a more Rap kinda way because of the influence of Rap.

 

[GoldenGlove]

 

[RTF]

Aight my nikka - i'm done. The world doesn't revolve around American hip hop. For you to claim that isn't rap but what Fetty Wap does is - is plain ludicrous. You seem to think anything involving a beat machine, a sampler and whatever is hip hop.

Your assertion that double time rapping in England is influenced by midwest cats is just wrong. The Twista / Lethal song isn't considered Grime. It's a Hip Hop track. Nobody thinks that's grime. Grime is 140 BPM .


Rap is a way of delivering vocals, it is not a genre of music. Hip hop is a genre but it needs to be strongly influenced by American Black "hip hop" culture to be classified as. Gangnam Style is a rapped EDM / Pop record. It is not hip hop.

Man you've lured me in lol.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Aight my nikka - i'm done. The world doesn't revolve around American hip hop. For you to claim that isn't rap but what Fetty Wap does is - is plain ludicrous. You seem to think anything involving a beat machine, a sampler and whatever is hip hop.

The world doesn't but Grime clearly is Uk offshoot of American HipHop with a UK twist

Your assertion that double time rapping in England is influenced by midwest cats is just wrong.

Everyone knows UK urban music is based heavily rooted/based off American urban music. Grime is no different...

Rap is a way of delivering vocals, it is not a genre of music. Hip hop is a genre but it needs to be strongly influenced by American Black "hip hop" culture to be classified as.

It's both

Gangnam Style is a rapped EDM / Pop record. It is not hip hop.

Its a Rap + EDM hybrid just like HipHouse-Electro Hop

Man you've lured me in lol.

 

[DJDONTNOBODYPAYME]

So then. Ty Dolla Sign needs a CMA because the music speaks for itself

 

[CrimsonTider]

Yes this is country and its the hardest country song ever.

Keith Urban lost

 

[DJDONTNOBODYPAYME]

Yes this is country and its the hardest country song ever.

Keith Urban lost

Ty Dolla $ign would give Peter Tosh a run for his money