Doobie Doo
Veteran
The title of this thread is on point too. I'm not one to pepper posts with Cac this, or, Cac that, etc.. Still, the type of fans that OF had, were/are the latest generation of weirdo white dudes who pretty much don't fukk with Hip Hop at all unless it's a white artist, or a Black artist that flies way under beyond even the acknowledged underground. Even then it's just a fad or phase to them before they move on to whomever is the latest Ani Difranco or whatever hot alternative artist is buzzin. When I was younger, that generation of pretentious weirdo white dudes only fukked with Aesop Rock, or, Mr.Lif, all that Def Jux sh!t that no n!ggaz fukked with whatsoever. Fans all looked the same too, hipsters before it became a noticeable thing. Oversized jeans that flared at the bottom, skater shoes, a tee shirt with some strange logo, etc. Clothes always looked tattered, greasy, looked like they haven't bathed in a while although I don't recall ever noticing an offensive odor from any of them.
I remember when Fif first started buzzin with the mixtapes prior to the GRODT release, I was in a used CD store. Can't remember what I purchased, but it was something gansterish. The one dude working there was a cool white dude. We would talk about music, and he was checking out what I was purchasing. He would always recommend Def Jux artists. He asked me what I was really into at the time, and I told him G-Unit as those early mixtape days were thrilling. I told him what I liked about 50 at the time was he was bringing that authentic street music back. His coworker with low testosterone thumbed his nose at that and said something like, "that street music is what's ruining Hip Hop." I just brushed him off, but dudes like him are the same variation of weirdos that OF attracted. They've got their own ideas on what Hip Hop should be. It's almost like they're intimidated or turned off by certain things, or maybe certain kinds of people if you will.
I will say RJD2 who got his start with Def Jux is a heluva soundscapist though. So Def Jux wasn't all bad.
Feel where you coming from. Back in 98 right when Puffy and Bad Boy took off post Big was when radio turned shyt to me and that along my family getting the Internet and being able to stream underground HIP HOP on Real Player and record to tape for my walkman I got deep into Rawkus which led to Company Flow to which led to the Sole beef which led to me checking out Sole and sadly the rest of Anticon (as a black man I take no pride in this era) but real talk I listened to them cuz I thought they had some hot beats but thought they were wack.
Then Aesop and Blockhead and all that weirdo abstract shyt with Sage Francis and of course I'm on message boards that are just nerd ass mofos talking about metaphysical weird shyt and songs about how much they love hiphop and what it means to them and they were just anti growth. They loved depressing shyt, hated music for bytches or anything that wasn't deep lyrically and I can't move like that. I don't want to hear a bunch of complex, multi syllable abstract shyt around some bytches. I love hearing some riding music when I'm cruising on the road, some 8-Ball & MJG, Rap-A-Lot shyt, DJ Quik,
