Tyrese Protesting In Front Of A White Radio Station For Not Playing Black Artist Music
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That's just the top music right now on a station where I thought it was purely white pop music, there's not a single "soulful" song on there. Or on any urban station that's not contemporary for that matter.
So now it's not about black artists, black R&B but it's the degree of soul they have in their music?
What about Beyonce? She's one of the most played artists and I just told you that John Legend and Aloe Blacc had big hits on the radio. Tyrese shyt does not sound like hit records, certain Sam Smith's joint sounds like hits, just as certain John Legend songs and certain Aloe Blacc songs or certain Beyonce joints.
I want to see people do shyt against things they think are wrong, but not during marketing for their albums. The credibility is thrown at of the window and there are too many counter examples for his claim to hold any weight with me. My only problem with radio is that they play too much back music, black and white. But it's a business and most people are not music heads.
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IllmaticDelta
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She's not that soulful really..more than Rihanna though
Those are usually his less "urban" songs like "All Of Me"
More soulful than Derulo but it's not like D'angelo type soulfulness
Insensitive
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If we're being real here Hip Hop has become the defacto "R&B".
And by "Hip Hop", I mean not only the instrumentals but the mentalities
that were and in some ways still are left over from the most recent and
dominant form of Hip Hop which was Gangster Rap.
Beyonce and her team as great as they are aren't trying to make "R&B".
She's a great R&B/Pop Artist but at times Beyonce and Rhianna just feel like
they're backed by people who slum it through twitter/youtube/soundcloud and look
for what people will consider "Hot" so they can sing over it.
Beyonce is basically the "Urban" version of Katy Perry/Lady Gaga.
Miguel ? Much closer to what I expect out of contemporary R&B.
Jesse Boykins III ? Much closer to what I expect out contemporary R&B.
Anderson .Paak ? Much closer to what I expect out of contemporary R&B.
Janelle Monae ? Much closer to what I expect out of contemporary R&B.
Bj The Chicago Kid ? Much closer to what I expect out of contemporary R&B.
The Internet ? Much closer to what I expect out of contemporary R&B.
Frank Ocean ? Much closer to what I expect out of contemporary R&B.
All of it looks back,looks forward but still stays accessible for people today.
FukkaPaidEmail
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Two black dudes and one white?
Two Carribean dudes and Diplo
Alright one dude might be mulatto.
For some reason I thought switch was involved with Major Lazer
But you're right
Now you are just arguing for the sake of arguing lol, now it's D'angelo one of the most complex stars out that's the benchmark.
We are talking about radio here, he does not make music for radio and he's not tripping about it either.
It's like Metal fans complaining about metal not being played on Ryan Seacrest.
IMO Tyrese shyt does not sound like hits there's no popular effect at all in his music, he's old as fukk, he's not on a major and not even hot97 and these type of channels plays his shyt. These other artist have dope ass beats first and foremost, they have a bunch of dope writers and they are on major labels.
If this is just "a little more soul" than Rihanna
Then I don't know what to say, she is singing from her heart. That's why these scorned women die for her.
The difference between Katy Perry/Lady Gaga and Beyonce is that Beyonce's latest album was one of the highest reviewed albums in music in the year it dropped. She sings from her heart, it's not just simple pop tunes like the other two and now she's even being creative.
So you wouldn't say that Beyonce, John Legend, Aloe Blacc, Miguel, Usher, Weekend and all these cats are R&B? Cause they are played on commercial radio.
I mean that's a couple of cats that are representing one genre, probably more people than cats repping rock on the commercial stage, more cats than country and on.
The thing is radio enjoys the latest sounds, Tyrese shyt sounds like it came out in the early 2000s. It's the same reason Joey Badass isn't getting played on radio (and being independent just like Tyrese).
Tell him to drop something like this and they might play him,
Or that might be too sexual but still.
This is not about playing music that's dope it's about playing music that will keep the airheads that listen to radio from switching station.
They can't play 8 minute Frank Ocean songs with 3 switches, 1000 Deaths and other types of advanced music.
daboywonder2002
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but hasnt this always been the case. we have black stations. urban adult station that plays old school r and b, your hip hop./ current r and b station and your white pop stations.
TrebleMan
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At the end of the day, this post is spot on.
However, only thing I really disagree about is that Lady Gaga as an artist and singer sings from the heart as well. She's one of the more thoughtful and musical artists out there, especially in her prime. She is pretty much about as thoughtful pop music wants to go. As well and famous she is, the radio wanted nothing to do with her Jazz album with Tony Bennett, which was very well done. Cats don't know Gaga is a musical genius who got accepted into Juilliard at age 11.
If Janelle Monae toned down just slightly she can get into that lane as well. IMO Gaga, her and Pharrell are easily the most artistic/creative people in the industry right now followed closely by Bruno Mars. Janelle is just now figuring out how to walk that line though. If you're making "grown music" they also want some quirky/edgy also.
Also cats gotta realize, we're talking about "pop" music here which while there are rare exceptions, they want records that don't get into complex emotions, deliver messages in a complex way, nor have the sounds too experimental either. Unless of course you have a solid fan base already. Even considering that, your sound still has to be somewhat "familiar."
End of the day something like 90+% of pop music is generally for the clubs. The rest for a crooner or two. If an artist can make plenty of great upbeat music and throw in an occasional slow song, they're golden.
Also keep in mind, no matter what race, they don't want too many artists that fit into stereotypes. There's limited seating.
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I understand what he's trying to do, but it's counterproductive. It's counterproductive because the brand of R&B music that Tyrese makes isn't exactly mainstream. It's not even the same sonically as the #1's from JT, Robin, and Sam Smith. When you look at the songs that Justin Timberlake, Sam Smith, and Robin Thicke have in rotation, it's the production that crosses them over into other markets. Show me a #1 Justin Timberlake record that isn't produced by Timbaland. Sam Smith had a Darkchild remix featuring Mary J. Blige to aid him in getting play on Black stations. Robin Thicke doesn't have a #1 that's not produced by Pharrell.
this is great.
but its not gonna lead to nothin if the mainstream black stations arent playing it.
tyreese only getting burn on black adult radio. mainstream black radio aint playing none of it. i didnt even hear them play TGT. they'll play those white singers like timberlake & sam smith tho.
but its not gonna lead to nothin if the mainstream black stations arent playing it.
tyreese only getting burn on black adult radio. mainstream black radio aint playing none of it. i didnt even hear them play TGT. they'll play those white singers like timberlake & sam smith tho.
Ummmm... not in a direct way.
ahhh...I never claimed that in generally successful UK 'soul' acts will get access to US radio... I said something much more limited... which is the only people who are getting top 40 airplay for ballad style soul music in the US are doing so because they succeeded in UK top 40 and then were promoted here...
I am thinking about it more, and i think Bruno Mars could probably get a lot of airplay if he had a hit soul ballad. And thats more because he is well established, and he is established to succeed at selling a lot of albums by bringing back very old out of fashion genres and sounds.
Basically this is more or less a publicity run for Tyreses album, he knows exactly why he isnt getting play, and its not really what he says it is. Its an interesting point he is raising though, especially as radio is decaying from lack of listenership. The real interesting question which he is raising but not really rallying behind is... why is Top 40 being curated? The concept of top 40 theoretically been play whatever is the most popular music. that has morphed in the last 20 years or so... much of the top 40 radio now a days isnt really whatever is most popular. Meaning Top 40 should never be 'breaking' songs or artists, and yet it is. This is a much more interesting question because its not about right or wrong. its about business strategies and equilibrium states....
Basically wondering if terrestrial radio is fukking up because they arent applying game theory correctly...