U.S. Black farmers lost $326 bln worth of land in 20th century

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And you have cac farmers saying Biden's plan is discriminatory, but have nothing to say about the discriminatory factors that helped them.

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Same people will tell you that Equality or a level playing field is a detriment to them and their insecure asssses. Only way they see equality anywhere is if they have an unfair advantage and extra leverage on top of it. That's equality to them.
 

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And you have cac farmers saying Biden's plan is discriminatory, but have nothing to say about the discriminatory factors that helped them.

Shocking :unimpressed:

The amount of fukking bullshyt they had to be on to pull that is unfathomable. It didn't even put the money in their pockets, it just kept it away from Black farmers.

shyt like that passes because Bush and Trump stacked their courts with their judges, who will never support Black reparations in a million years. And people like OP are still supporting Trump because "Biden supports LGBT" and "I prefer the honest White Supremacist!" It's beyond reason how ignorant that stance is.
 

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I do not think they got any money from that

That's straight false. Don't comment on things if you ain't informed. It wasn't nearly as much as they deserve but in total about $2.25 billion went straight to Black folk, with ~40,000 folk getting $50,000 each and select farmers with strong cases who filed individual lawsuits getting more than that.

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/his...dit-john-boyd-jr-giving-thecoli-props.710060/



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He's not right, that's a completely different thing. Clinton gave exclusively Black farmers a billion in 1999, Obama added another $1.25 billion in 2010, your report is about an additional $5 billion that Biden was trying to give out to Black farmers and other minorities as a different program in 2021.

And how stupid are y'all to blame Biden for Trump's staff and Bush's judges blocking the money Biden had already signed off on? If Biden appealed that decision then it goes to the Supreme Court, and do you know who controls the Supreme Court right now? Do you realize how fukking stupid it would be to appeal that decision to the Supreme Court when you KNOW you will lose and on top of that you'll give the Supreme Court the opportunity to establish case law stating that reparations are unconstitutional?



We should file a discrimination lawsuit against the asians and Ukrainians then. If we don't get our money, nobody else can

The Japanese Internment Camp reparations in 1980 and the Black farmer reparations in 1999 (with Obama's addition in 2010) were able to pass because they were specific payments for specific wrongs to living persons that had been committed by the US government, and only those persons received.

The a$$holes who blocked Biden's Black + other minority famer money in 2021 were able to block it partially because they had a sympathetic court, and partially because it was general money for all black and minority farmers - it wasn't tied to a specific historic grievance.

In order to get reparations passed and get it through the courts, we need two things. First we need the suit to cover very specific damages that can be traced back to specific wrongs, so we can prove the damages are justified by the wrongs and aren't discriminatory. Second we need judges who will allow the payments to stand - which mean the current court composition has to change, cause out of the current justices there is no chance that Barrett, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, Alito, or Roberts is gonna let that shyt through.
 
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TL/DR:

1. Democrat-controlled congress passed debt-relief program for 16,000 Black, Native American, Asian American, and Hispanic farmers that would cover all their outstanding debt plus 20% extra for fees and taxes.

2. White farmers, Republican officials, Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows and white nationalist Trump advistor Stephen Miller filed lawsuits claiming the payments were racist because White people didn't get them.

3. Four Bush-appointed judges filed injunctions blocking the money.

4. Any appeal by the Biden Administration would go to the Appeals Court then Supreme Court. Since these are controlled by Bush/Trump judges, it is virtually certain that they would not only reject the money, but would use it to write an opinion that could solidify that reparations are illegal and could even eliminate affirmative action at all levels. Biden Administration chose not to appeal to avoid this nuclear scenario.

5. Instead, Biden Administration has asked Congress to try to pass a different bill that couldn't be blocked by the courts. One option is the "Relief for America’s Small Farmers Act", which would provide debt relief for all farmers whose average annual gross income is under $300 grand. Since Black farmers on average have farms 1/3 the size of White farmers, this bill would disproportionally benefit Black farmers, the opposite of most farm bills.





For those who want to know more about the lawsuit blocking money to Black farmers:

Historic debt relief for minority farmers faces legal juggernaut

Historic debt relief for minority farmers faces legal juggernaut



"Legal experts still say an uphill battle lies ahead. Republican Texas Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller filed the initial suit alleging reverse discrimination against white farmers one month after Congress passed ERFCA, with the help of former Trump aides Stephen Miller and Mark Meadows. Since the end of the former president’s administration, Miller and Meadows have focused their efforts on America First Legal, a firm that’s embraced conservative and increasingly white nationalist causes. Some experts say that the race-based language and mechanisms tied to the current debt relief program would be difficult to defend without jeopardizing other government programs such as affirmative action that seek to remedy past discrimination."



"DOJ rarely gives up without a fight in such cases, but legal experts say the Biden administration’s best move at the moment might be to huddle with congressional allies and come up with a program more likely to pass muster. Otherwise, they say, there’s a danger of provoking court rulings that might undermine other programs aimed at remedying past discrimination.

One legal expert said he would be shocked if the administration allowed the fights over the debt relief program to reach the Supreme Court or even pressed forward with appeals.

“Obviously with this cluster of cases… they’re not going to blindly go before a federal court of appeals and run the risk of that kind of defeat, setting the stage for a Supreme Court defeat,” William & Mary Law School professor Neal Devins said. “Probably better hope that Congress will clean up the statute.”

Another lawyer involved in crafting affirmative action programs said the minority farmers debt relief law — in the form passed in March — would be a sure loser given the present make-up of the Supreme Court.

“I don’t think they have a chance in hell of prevailing with the current court,” said the attorney, who asked not to be named, citing sensitivities due to ongoing work with groups active on the issue."
 
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