U.S. Secretary of Commerce: "The ‘new model’ is factory jobs for life—for you, your kids, and your grandkids."

[Gloxina]

Yeah but we’re speed running collapse for the benefit of the wealthy. We could have positioned ourselves to be competitive in a way that maintained people’s standard of living and made us competitive if not leaders in certain fields. We could have used tariffs and trade deals strategically to buffer our position. Instead these fukking idiots are trying to reverse the globalization and drag the country to some mythological golden age.

its fukking stupid and we’re doing the equivalent of brexit which completely defanged the UK. By the end of this America is going to be hollowed out and barely functioning. The only people benefitting from this are the extremely wealthy who are in position to be paid from the systemic transfer of wealth from the working/middle class to the wealthy that Trump‘s policies are facilitating.

All
By
Design.


What y’all are missing is this is intentional. They don’t want a smooth reduction of our power/global positioning which would allow for Americans to still have a pretty decent way of life. They are going to let our living standards and ability to climb the ladder crash so that they can have everything and we are easier to control.

They do not want an educated proletariat. That’s why our nation is a dumb as it is now. This is all by design.

 

[Gloxina]

Just to put this into perspective Trump is gutting the healthcare and solar industry that employed millions of people and are firing millions of government workers for the sake of the a few billionaires positioned to profit from those industries collapse and tax breaks for the wealthy.

He is running the country into the ground.

ON PURPOSE!



Shyt is literally in our faces.

 

[Wargames]

All
By
Design.


What y’all are missing is this is intentional. They don’t want a smooth reduction of our power/global positioning which would allow for Americans to still have a pretty decent way of life. They are going to let our living standards and ability to climb the ladder crash so that they can have everything and we are easier to control.

They do not want an educated proletariat. That’s why our nation is a dumb as it is now. This is all by design.

Yeah but the designers are stupid.

There is a higher change we see the country break into state by state stratification than any of this works. Look at that Texas flood a few weeks ago. Global warming, low state taxes, and a lack of federal government is going to wreck red states.

Blue states can always charge taxes and survive.

This is just a bunch of stupid spiteful people getting their way.

 

[Wargames]

ON PURPOSE!



Shyt is literally in our faces.

Did he run all of his businesses into the ground on purpose or did his stupidity and greed do it by default? The transfer of wealth is on purpose but these idiots are not long term thinkers. There isn’t any concept of consequences for them.

Blue states will charge them taxes eventually, and red states are going to be broke hell holes. People are going to suffer for no reason except these idiots are greedy.

 

[Gloxina]

Yeah but the designers are stupid.

There is a higher change we see the country break into state by state stratification than any of this works. Look at that Texas flood a few weeks ago. Global warming, low state taxes, and a lack of federal government is going to wreck red states.

Blue states can always charge taxes and survive.

This is just a bunch of stupid spiteful people getting their way.

Yeeeeeeeea because it isn’t really about “us” as a nation. It’s about them as super wealthy ppl stripping what they can from the country and living wherever they want on this planet.

Elon doesn’t have to be in South Africa or the US. Trump doesn’t have to be in the US.
Russian oligarchs make millions and billions under Putin and their families can live anywhere and attend any of the best universities on this planet. There’s always talk of how wealthy African business magnates and politicians send their kids off to Europe or the US for an education and then they can return home and take their place in the power structure. Same with the powerful in South America, Asian countries, etc.

They will strip this place to the bone and the American elite will be jump around the planet like all the other elites.

 

[Gloxina]

Did he run all of his businesses into the ground on purpose or did his stupidity and greed do it by default? The transfer of wealth is on purpose but these idiots are not long term thinkers. There isn’t any concept of consequences for them.

Blue states will charge them taxes eventually, and red states are going to be broke hell holes. People are going to suffer for no reason except these idiots are greedy.

This ain’t just Trump.

 

[WIA20XX]

"China’s universities now produce ~1.7 million engineers per year, an eightfold increase since the turn of the century and approximately 6.7 times the ~250,000 engineers graduating from American universities."

Folks keep harping on these types of #'s but its all propaganda to scare people.

India is right there producing 1.5 million engineers per year as well.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/education/news/pursuing-engineering-once-a-fad-now-a-dilemma-only-10-percent-of-15-lakh-graduates-likely-to-land-jobs-this-year/articleshow/114686084

Have y'all seen the state of India's infrastructure? Manufacturing? Start Up Scene? It's not like they don't literally need engineers to build bridges, clean up the Ganges, manufacture at home all the stuff they buy from Canada.

But according to the powers that be, only 10-15% are employable.

So 150,000 "good" engineers, and 1,350,000 "bad" engineers.

And that's yearly! So you got 1.35M that graduated in 2024, 2023, 2022, 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018 - etc. That's in the backdrop of indian having 1.4 billion people.

Millions upon millions of people that got the training for decades, but aren't being snapped up by businesses. And the lucky relative few? They're usually not being paid in relation to the value they bring to the businesses that they work for. Especially the 10x employee.

The same thing happens in China and in the US and in Europe. China produces millions of STEM People, and the US and Europe produce tens/hundreds of thousands.

And by the design of the system, they do not work in the fields that they trained 17-20 years for.

I know LOTS of STEM people that are under-employed and in different fields than the studied in.
Low Key, a lot of college graduates everywhere are over educated for the jobs that they do.

The way that most academic fields work, is that there are only ever going to be 10-15% employable, because Employers only ever want the 10-15% of people from the top.

The guys that are #'s 16-50% in their class, despite having the same education, are not getting the jobs at the same rate as the top 10-15, if they even get the jobs in the field. Is there really a difference between the A- student and the B+ student?

What this means is a massive waste in resources and human capital. Conservatively 75% of all these resources are wasted.

The thing is, if the universities started to cap the # of STEM students, or failed them out as Freshman letting them choose something else - the businesses would still only take the top 10%. 1000 engineers would turn to a 100. 500 engineers turns to 50.

But what if we taught these people how to open their own businesses, taught them to be self employed, taught them to cooperate and build their own thing, instead of going to Google or Exxon or Tata Motors?

What if we designed all of the curriculum from the ground up (from pre-school to phd) to create people that can create their OWN job?

Is it possible to that the society can explicitly train people for 20+ years in something that they could actually take to the marketplace?

I think it is.

Yet I've never seen any one anywhere suggest anything other than a taking the 10% cream off of the top.

They say not everyone is cut out to be an entrepreneur, but the typical average in the US is 160 entrepreneurs for every 10,000 workers. 1.6%

If we explicitly trained all 10,000 workers in every field, from history to botany - on how to find problems, create solutions, test markets, market themselves, build systems, hire others - that ratio 1.6% would increase substantially.

Just doubling that 3.2% would increase the demand for employees. It would actually put a dent in the # of under-employed and over-educated people out there.

 

[Wargames]

Yeeeeeeeea because it isn’t really about “us” as a nation. It’s about them as super wealthy ppl stripping what they can from the country and living wherever they want on this planet.

Elon doesn’t have to be in South Africa or the US. Trump doesn’t have to be in the US.
Russian oligarchs make millions and billions under Putin and their families can live anywhere and attend any of the best universities on this planet. There’s always talk of how wealthy African business magnates and politicians send their kids off to Europe or the US for an education and then they can return home and take their place in the power structure. Same with the powerful in South America, Asian countries, etc.

They will strip this place to the bone and the American elite will be jump around the planet like all the other elites.

The problem with that is

1) Like you said they been doing that. This is not just about greed. The neoliberal system in place already gave them that. This is about ideology and power. These idiots don’t want to be jet set billionaires. Read Thiels interview with the NYTimes, look at Musk. They want to be Oligarchs, and rule over people, because they actually think they are better and smarter than they really are. In the end I do think they end up running overseas in defeat, but the second issue is….

2) global warming is going to fukk their shyt up just like everyone else. It’s why their idea that they can just move to red states and live like kings over serfs after the wreck the federal government is so fukking stupid. Those states are being set up to be hellholes. China is investing heavy into going green for a reason. They suck, for different reasons but they aren’t putting their country at risk to a prove a point. As a species you either adapt or die and America is dying cause the wealthy refuse to adapt. That flood in Texas is the perfect example of how stupid they all are.

They want to turn Americans into dumb workers, I get that, but what’s the point when there is a forrest fire making it hard to breathe and chemicals in the water? You can’t go to your Caribbean island cause it’s 120 degrees there too. How can the money save you?

This ain’t just Trump.

Yeah but everyone around him is just as shortsighted. I 100% think Trump is in it for the money. He’s greedy enough to break America to get every red cent he can. The people around him are trying to prove a point that their ideology is right and they can make America better. White nationalism, Christian nationalism, they have different names for it, but it’s going to crash the system, and then they are going to runaway with the money Trump got them and act like it wasn’t their fault. They’ll blame the people suffering for their situation.

 

[CashmereThoughts]

That GM plant life used to buy a house and put kids through college

Houses were $40,000 and college tuition was $1800 for four years. "capitalism" is going to prevent the masses from getting ahead no matter how many menial jobs jobs exist

 

[Richard Glidewell]

Folks keep harping on these types of #'s but its all propaganda to scare people.

India is right there producing 1.5 million engineers per year as well.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/education/news/pursuing-engineering-once-a-fad-now-a-dilemma-only-10-percent-of-15-lakh-graduates-likely-to-land-jobs-this-year/articleshow/114686084

Have y'all seen the state of India's infrastructure? Manufacturing? Start Up Scene? It's not like they don't literally need engineers to build bridges, clean up the Ganges, manufacture at home all the stuff they buy from Canada.

But according to the powers that be, only 10-15% are employable.

So 150,000 "good" engineers, and 1,350,000 "bad" engineers.

And that's yearly! So you got 1.35M that graduated in 2024, 2023, 2022, 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018 - etc. That's in the backdrop of indian having 1.4 billion people.

Millions upon millions of people that got the training for decades, but aren't being snapped up by businesses. And the lucky relative few? They're usually not being paid in relation to the value they bring to the businesses that they work for. Especially the 10x employee.

The same thing happens in China and in the US and in Europe. China produces millions of STEM People, and the US and Europe produce tens/hundreds of thousands.

And by the design of the system, they do not work in the fields that they trained 17-20 years for.

I know LOTS of STEM people that are under-employed and in different fields than the studied in.
Low Key, a lot of college graduates everywhere are over educated for the jobs that they do.

The way that most academic fields work, is that there are only ever going to be 10-15% employable, because Employers only ever want the 10-15% of people from the top.

The guys that are #'s 16-50% in their class, despite having the same education, are not getting the jobs at the same rate as the top 10-15, if they even get the jobs in the field. Is there really a difference between the A- student and the B+ student?

What this means is a massive waste in resources and human capital. Conservatively 75% of all these resources are wasted.

The thing is, if the universities started to cap the # of STEM students, or failed them out as Freshman letting them choose something else - the businesses would still only take the top 10%. 1000 engineers would turn to a 100. 500 engineers turns to 50.

But what if we taught these people how to open their own businesses, taught them to be self employed, taught them to cooperate and build their own thing, instead of going to Google or Exxon or Tata Motors?

What if we designed all of the curriculum from the ground up (from pre-school to phd) to create people that can create their OWN job?

Is it possible to that the society can explicitly train people for 20+ years in something that they could actually take to the marketplace?

I think it is.

Yet I've never seen any one anywhere suggest anything other than a taking the 10% cream off of the top.

They say not everyone is cut out to be an entrepreneur, but the typical average in the US is 160 entrepreneurs for every 10,000 workers. 1.6%

If we explicitly trained all 10,000 workers in every field, from history to botany - on how to find problems, create solutions, test markets, market themselves, build systems, hire others - that ratio 1.6% would increase substantially.

Just doubling that 3.2% would increase the demand for employees. It would actually put a dent in the # of under-employed and over-educated people out there.

The
biggest point i took from this is a greater percentage of knowledgeable competent population.......not some slack jawed under biting cousin fukking shooting the other cousin for fukking inbred backwater........gimme intellectual equals all day everyday.........can't understand how having an abundance of educated individuals can be spun into a negative

 

[WIA20XX]

The
biggest point i took from this is a greater percentage of knowledgeable competent population.......not some slack jawed under biting cousin fukking shooting the other cousin for fukking inbred backwater........gimme intellectual equals all day everyday.........can't understand how having an abundance of educated individuals can be spun into a negative

Lots of folks with degrees and college loans are driving ubers and door dashing. Or they're BS'ing at some admin job or sales position. Cats with AF Am history degrees working in HR. Can't get a job as Mechanical Engineer, end up in customer service. The # of Chemistry majors not doing chemistry is astounding. I'm surprised more don't pull a Walter White honestly...

If they was headed for that anyway, jobs that don't require any type of higher thought, they wasted their time, money, and youth. And when we look at the institutions built around putting people into fields that they'll never work in...just a colossal waste.

They could have done something else, if all they ended up doing was some random job.