U.S. top court rules for companies on birth control mandate

[tru_m.a.c]

Forgive me if I side with the business owners on a matter that usually comes down to your personal choice to take your pants off.

I had an elaborate response typed out, but then I kept coming back to this sentence. I now realize:
1) You never researched this issue
2) You only have opinions
3) X amount of post later and you still have no credible medical research to support your opinions
4) You're ignorant
5) X amount of post later and you still peddle this 5yr old point of view
6) You're fukkn stupid

Good day sir. you're so dumb it's hilarious
like you're legitimately stupid

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Still a minority opinion.

So many b*stards being born by parents who don't give a fukk.

if you want to screw pay for it. Next step will be to cut welfare big time. About time we start making people responsible for their actions

Do you not realize how fukking contradictory your statement is?????

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The 8 Best Lines From Ginsburg's Dissent on the Hobby Lobby Contraception Decision
—By Dana Liebelson

| Mon Jun. 30, 2014 11:32 AM EDT

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Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg Charlie Neuman/ZUMA
On Monday, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg penned a blistering dissent to the Supreme Court's 5-4 ruling that the government can't require certain employers to provide insurance coverage for methods of birth control and emergency contraception that conflict with their religious beliefs. Ginsburg wrote that her five male colleagues, "in a decision of startling breadth," would allow corporations to opt out of almost any law that they find "incompatible with their sincerely held religious beliefs."

Read more: In Hobby Lobby case, the Supreme Court chooses religion over science Jay Mallin/ZUMA
Here are seven more key quotes from Ginsburg's dissent in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby:

• "The exemption sought by Hobby Lobby and Conestoga would…deny legions of women who do not hold their employers' beliefs access to contraceptive coverage"
• "Religious organizations exist to foster the interests of persons subscribing to the same religious faith. Not so of for-profit corporations. Workers who sustain the operations of those corporations commonly are not drawn from one religious community."
• "Any decision to use contraceptives made by a woman covered under Hobby Lobby's or Conestoga's plan will not be propelled by the Government, it will be the woman's autonomous choice, informed by the physician she consults."
• "It bears note in this regard that the cost of an IUD is nearly equivalent to a month's full-time pay for workers earning the minimum wage."
• "Would the exemption…extend to employers with religiously grounded objections to blood transfusions (Jehovah's Witnesses); antidepressants (Scientologists); medications derived from pigs, including anesthesia, intravenous fluids, and pills coated with gelatin (certain Muslims, Jews, and Hindus); and vaccinations[?]…Not much help there for the lower courts bound by today's decision."
• "Approving some religious claims while deeming others unworthy of accommodation could be 'perceived as favoring one religion over another,' the very 'risk the [Constitution's] Establishment Clause was designed to preclude."
• "The court, I fear, has ventured into a minefield."

You can read the full dissent here. (It starts on page 60.)

 

[The 2020 New Member]

huh?????????

Governments and MOST people don't like drugs, but criminalizing it hurts everyone in the long run

So with respect to birth control, giving people more options to prevent bringing kids into the world they can't take care of will help the community in the long run.

I had no idea what you were trying to get at, breh. People have that already option though I see where you're coming from. With that I can say that there are people that need to be protected. While I believe that the owners should have the right to what will be covered based on their values, there has to be a line drawn somewhere in the name of welfare and decency. At the moment, it obviously isn't where a lot of people feel it should be.

 

[Chris.B]

Do you not realize how fukking contradictory your statement is?????

no you tell me

 

[The 2020 New Member]

I had an elaborate response typed out, but then I kept coming back to this sentence. I now realize:
1) You never researched this issue
2) You only have opinions
3) X amount of post later and you still have no credible medical research to support your opinions
4) You're ignorant
5) X amount of post later and you still peddle this 5yr old point of view
6) You're fukkn stupid

Good day sir. you're so dumb it's hilarious
like you're legitimately stupid

And this is how you discuss something, folks. By calling someone stupid repeatedly. The simple fact that I admit that I don't understand something and take steps to comprehend someone else's point of view proves that I'm not stupid. You're out here mad for no reason. Excuse me for not being afraid to be wrong and wanted to discuss something like a civilized person. You are so obviously institutionalized that it's nauseating.

You want someone to project your distaste for this decision on so bad that you're going out of your way to criticize someone that WANTS to be on your side.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

no you tell me

1. your insurance pays for shyt that could be classified as "be more responsible"
2. you live in a society and indirectly have a role to play in the welfare and wellbeing of your neighbors.
3. bringing more kids into the world people can't take care of isn't teaching anyone responsibility. Thats like getting mad at free condoms.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I had no idea what you were trying to get at, breh. People have that already option though I see where you're coming from. With that I can say that there are people that need to be protected. While I believe that the owners should have the right to what will be covered based on their values, there has to be a line drawn somewhere in the name of welfare and decency. At the moment, it obviously isn't where a lot of people feel it should be.

Why should companies pay insurance for their workers anyways?

You might as well go back to the original SCOTUS ruling a year ago

 

[The 2020 New Member]

Why should companies pay insurance for their workers anyways?

You might as well go back to the original SCOTUS ruling a year ago

It's the least they can do if they aren't going to pay you a living wage.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

It's the least they can do if they aren't going to pay you a living wage.

Lets be 10000 right now.

This dissent is because of religion. Thats it.

They have no problem with tons of NON-medically oriented medications or therapies...including viagra.

 

[the cac mamba]

So many b*stards being born by parents who don't give a fukk.

exactly, which birth control would eliminate

put the bible down for a second and be a realist

 

[tmonster]

Sorry it won't work. I learned this after going to many baptisms where the parents were separated. And I quote,"At this time we would like to welcome child X to the front to welcome him into our family. Now it's our understanding that the parents are not together. We are still a church. We still abide by the religious teachings of the bible. But we will not hold that against the child, because the gift of life is God's work."

You will never win that argument.

Once I heard this a few years back, that's when I stopped arguing, "Well why are gays condemned for life but not kids born out of wedlock?"

but...that's...that's hypocrisy, right?

 

[MidwestD]

 

[tmonster]

you ain't kidding

 

[Rawtid]

exactly, which birth control would eliminate

put the bible down for a second and be a realist

Having contraception coverage doesn't mean people will use it though.