Uh oh. Hoge compares Jameis to Byron Leftwhich

[Dr. Narcisse]

Jameis moves much better than Byron imo. At least he did his RS FR year. That 4.97 at only 231 was surprising as hell for a guy who ran for 1000 yards his SR. year in HS. But he's still the best QB since Luck

Plus I'm pretty sure playing baseball is what made his release long and his footwork choppy. Now focused on football he should be a beast.

Hoge has a pretty good track record on QBs though

Hopefully he's wrong on him like he was on Aaron Rodgers.




ETA: In others here is how Jameis ranks compared to the last 5 draft classes.

NFL Media analyst Lance Zierlein says Winston is his No. 5 quarterback in the past five years, saying Winston would've been the first quarterback selected in the 2013 and 2014 drafts; the third quarterback in 2012, behind Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III; the second quarterback in 2011, behind Newton; and the second in 2010 behind Bradford. Bradford, Luck, and Newton were No. 1 overall picks, and Griffin went second overall.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-of-past-five-drafts?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cfb

Would Bradford be really hyped over Jameis....or would that stem from the off the field issues?

Would you have Jameis as a better prospect than Cam and RG3 as well?

 

[Hammer]

The Mechanic

 

[Originalman]

Base black QBs on their athletic ability not their ability to read defenses and throw balls accuractly brehs.

 

[obarth]

I've never seen these "analysts" compare a black quarterback to a non-black quarterback. There have been far more non-black QBs in the league than black ones. So surely if you're an "analyst" at some point a black QB would come around whose game compared closely to the hundreds of non-black QBs that have played in the league. And before someone comes in here on some "Why are you making this about race" bullshyt, I'm not. I'm making it about lazy "analysis".

 

[Originalman]

This is my issue with the NFL. If a black QB can't run like a cheetah then he is worthless in folks eyes. If he throws from the pocket.....he needs to know how to run to make more plays

I will never forget the game that Jason Campbell played against the eagles and Joe buck with sweet booty Troy Aikman criticized that dude for not running throughout the game. I was watching the game and saying what the fukk do they mean.....Jason Campbell is slow as hell. Dude isn't mike Vick.

 

[Originalman]

Another thing leftwich is slow as hell and isn't mobile. jameis is mobile. Leftwich had a stronger arm but was robotic. Jameis arm isnt as strong, but jameis is not robotic and improvises like Brett Farve.

Jameis can also throw from many platforms. During the game he can throw the ball from.different platforms and changes his motion depending on the window and the throw that is needed.

Last brotha doc please ignore those fools at ESPN. Watching and listening to those fools is bad for your health.

 

[Originalman]

I've never seen these "analysts" compare a black quarterback to a non-black quarterback. There have been far more non-black QBs in the league than black ones. So surely if you're an "analyst" at some point a black QB would come around whose game compared closely to the hundreds of non-black QBs that have played in the league. And before someone comes in here on some "Why are you making this about race" bullshyt, I'm not. I'm making it about lazy "analysis".

Brotha you are not making it about race. Hell the media is making it about race.

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

I've never seen these "analysts" compare a black quarterback to a non-black quarterback. There have been far more non-black QBs in the league than black ones. So surely if you're an "analyst" at some point a black QB would come around whose game compared closely to the hundreds of non-black QBs that have played in the league. And before someone comes in here on some "Why are you making this about race" bullshyt, I'm not. I'm making it about lazy "analysis".

This is my issue with the NFL. If a black QB can't run like a cheetah then he is worthless in folks eyes. If he throws from the pocket.....he needs to know how to run to make more plays

I will never forget the game that Jason Campbell played against the eagles and Joe buck with sweet booty Troy Aikman criticized that dude for not running throughout the game. I was watching the game and saying what the fukk do they mean.....Jason Campbell is slow as hell. Dude isn't mike Vick.

I normally agree. But I dont think Hoge is like that though. He LOVED RG3 and really liked JaMarcus Russell coming out of college as well.

His point was that when Jameis isnt playing against pressure he's elite. But he's heavy footed has trouble stepping up in the pocket to throw. Which he will face more of in the NFL.

Its the same thing got Drew Bledsoe benched for Brady.

I dont think he's that. I just think dude was overweight last year and it really affected his footwork. If you watch the RS FR film he does it with ease. Last year when pressured he could get a bit sloppy.

He's going to beast. But I'm really hoping Tampa can get the Oline together for him.

 

[obarth]

I normally agree. But I dont think Hoge is like that though. He LOVED RG3 and really liked JaMarcus Russell coming out of college as well.

His point was that when Jameis isnt playing against pressure he's elite. But he's heavy footed has trouble stepping up in the pocket to throw. Which he will face more of in the NFL.

Its the same thing got Drew Bledsoe benched for Brady.

I dont think he's that. I just think dude was overweight last year and it really affected his footwork. If you watch the RS FR film he does it with ease. Last year when pressured he could get a bit sloppy.

He's going to beast. But I'm really hoping Tampa can get the Oline together for him.

Again, I'm not making it about race, fam. He's heavy footed, has trouble stepping up in the pocket to throw, do you know how many QBs that can be applied to? I like Merrill Hoge a lot compared to the majority of the talking heads on ESPN when it comes to football. He knows his shyt. But this goes beyond him. Whenever there's a high profile black QB with high draft prospects, they're automatically compared to a black QB that came before them. It's lazy analysis. We can't compare this guy to Michael Vick cause he's not as agile...fukk it, he's Byron LeftwichIt's lazy as hell, man

 

[Originalman]

I normally agree. But I dont think Hoge is like that though. He LOVED RG3 and really liked JaMarcus Russell coming out of college as well.

His point was that when Jameis isnt playing against pressure he's elite. But he's heavy footed has trouble stepping up in the pocket to throw. Which he will face more of in the NFL.

Its the same thing got Drew Bledsoe benched for Brady.

I dont think he's that. I just think dude was overweight last year and it really affected his footwork. If you watch the RS FR film he does it with ease. Last year when pressured he could get a bit sloppy.

He's going to beast. But I'm really hoping Tampa can get the Oline together for him.

Brotha I am not saying that hodge is like this. But these folks get their marching orders from directors and they push the narrative. They tell them in meetings this is the comparison we want to make and they go from there.

Rob parker even admitted it when he was suspended at ESPN for his comment with RG3. In the end it still goes by the same issue that the media does not know how to sell or deal with a black QB that stands in the pocket and throws like a white QB. If they ain't running around like a chicken with they head cut off the white media and white fans don't know what to do with them.

And still it is a lazy comparison. He could have mentioned slow ass Dan Marino, slow ass drew bledsoe, lead foot tryoy aikman, slooth foot Mark Ripken and so on.

 

[Tony D'Amato]

Hodge shoulda been shot 5yrs ago. He's a piece of sh1t. To compare an alledged rapist and proven turnover machine to one of the greatest collegiate qbs in history is blasphemy. Byron was a better leader, a better humab being and a way more accurate passer than Rapemis. And his velocity is the best the sport has ever seen.

Damn shame he didnt get drafted to a real franchise.

 

[calh45]

I normally agree. But I dont think Hoge is like that though. He LOVED RG3 and really liked JaMarcus Russell coming out of college as well.

His point was that when Jameis isnt playing against pressure he's elite. But he's heavy footed has trouble stepping up in the pocket to throw. Which he will face more of in the NFL.

Its the same thing got Drew Bledsoe benched for Brady.

I dont think he's that. I just think dude was overweight last year and it really affected his footwork. If you watch the RS FR film he does it with ease. Last year when pressured he could get a bit sloppy.

He's going to beast. But I'm really hoping Tampa can get the Oline together for him.

Thank You.

Hoge is the least racist cat out there when it comes to analysis. He threw Tebow and Manziel under the bus when folks were calling them saviors. I don't think this is a bad comparison. They both have long throwing motions. Leftwich could throw the hell out of the ball at Marshall and played through all types of pain and was considered a great leader.

Edit: I think this is people forgetting how good Leftwich was and he was fairly mobile before his leg exploded and he kept playing on it.

 

[malbaker86]

Florida exposed Winston both years he faced us as a QB who looks funny in the light if you breathe on em

 

[Originalman]

Also that is a lie when Jamie's plays against pressure he is elite. You can go on footballsfuture and they show he is better against the blitz then a 4 man rush. When he gets blitzed he is at elite status.

See this is what I am talking about when it comes to ESPN and the narritive that they spin. They make it seem like he can't step in the pocket and move. When with your one eyes and data backs up that you do not blitz him and send pressure. Because he is too smart and can avoid the blitz.

All of a sudden one of the best QBs in the last 10 years to come out of college vs pressure is now garbage against pressure cause they show a few highlights on ESPN and say they done watch a ton of video.

Please I know it is a lie when football focus called out ESPN two years ago when they were calling out Cam performance. When it was the OC going away from the two TE set and calling nothing but read option and it had nothing to do with Cam.

 

[Starman]

Hoge is right. No way Jameis should go any higher than 5th.