Umar vs The Boule (Debate)

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

WTF are you talking about? There are (very few) Black people who can invest in their children’s businesses. Do you see them encouraging entrepreneurship and offering their children seed investment, or pushing them into Corporate America?

You used this same argument to say the black elite wasn't taking risks, then now claim its their fault for not having that generational wealth.

Bruh, lemme help you out here since you don't even know what you don't know.

Blacks and research and risk taking always happened but racism tended to avoid negative outcomes due to racism. Its not that they're not trying, but that in a white supremacist system people have to be strategic about how to expend their energy. I made the thread on that too https://www.thecoli.com/threads/bla...opped-slowed-black-inventions-patents.806720/

A lot of the people you're criticizing don't have networks to fall back on so they take the conservative and sustained route of success, but it has to start SOMEWHERE.

Do you want us all mopping floors?

 

[lib123]

how would it ever help the black masses?

You can't help anyone with no money, experience, education, or access.

Yes, I know about Frazier. I made a thread about him weeks ago. https://www.thecoli.com/threads/one...0-ceos-ken-frazier-of-merck-to-retire.830211/

All the black success stories I know actually look out for other people professionally. I would know.

Look at programs like MLT that have elevated scores of black professionals in corporate spaces.

Theres movement being made out here.

I don't know what time scale you want.

There’s movement for a few token individuals, not the collective.

Black Executives Are Losing Ground at Some Big Banks

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Jack and Jill was created out of a unique necessity.

Whites had adult social clubs, golf clubs,boarding school /college alumni groups for adults, but I'm not sure that they created national clubs for their children to bond.

Right. Its like black greek life. That shyt happened because black students had no social and economic networks at these colleges.

Remember, the first black greek lettered organizations STARTED at white schools

Alpha Phi Alpha and even Phi Nu Pi (history gets weird was allegedly before that), both at Cornell and Indiana University.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

There’s movement for a few token individuals, not the collective.

Black Executives Are Losing Ground at Some Big Banks

OK.

I guess we should have no black executives.

Thanks for clearing that up.

This shyt isn't easy, but its not going to fix itself or get better by lowering the bar of success.

Other groups, despite access to whiteness and ease of going up the social ladder compared to blacks, practice internal quality controls and hold themselves to the highest standards and amongst themselves manage to thrive. The bar must be high, even if it seems so far away.

Again, I'm the one who started the thread about the racism Tidjane Thiam faced at Credit Suisse https://www.thecoli.com/threads/the...-c-e-o-tidjane-thiam-of-credit-suisse.810175/

I keep telling you...I'm aware of ALL of this

 

[lib123]

You used this same argument to say the black elite wasn't taking risks, then now claim its their fault for not having that generational wealth.

Bruh, lemme help you out here since you don't even know what you don't know.

Blacks and research and risk taking always happened but racism tended to avoid negative outcomes due to racism. Its not that they're not trying, but that in a white supremacist system people have to be strategic about how to expend their energy. I made the thread on that too https://www.thecoli.com/threads/bla...opped-slowed-black-inventions-patents.806720/

A lot of the people you're criticizing don't have networks to fall back on so they take the conservative and sustained route of success, but it has to start SOMEWHERE.

Do you want us all mopping floors?

I’m not blaming Black people for collectively not having generational wealth. That’s undeniably systematic racism. I’m saying the very few Black people who do have a financial cushion (or could have a financial cushion if they chose to live below their means) haven’t collectively taken the lead in building businesses to employ other Black people. Most (not all) of these privileged Black people are comfortable working for the Man their whole life and drill into their kids the sole focus on getting a “good job”.

Again, most not all.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I’m not blaming Black people for collectively not having generational wealth. I’m saying the very few Black people who do have a financial cushion (or could have a financial cushion if they chose to live below their means) haven’t collectively taken the lead in building businesses to employ other Black people. Most (not all) of these privileged Black people are comfortable working for the Man their whole life and drill into their kids the sole focus on getting a “good job”.

Again, most not all,

Black people only have been fairly working alongside whites in these esteemed positions for barely a few decades.

How long do you want this process to advancement to take?

There ARE numerous examples out there.

Now, are there the commensurate examples of black non-entertainment mega success? Yes. They're rare but they do happen, but its not nearly enough to sustain entire black diasporas.

You have to be realistic about what you're talking about.

You can't shyt on merely having a high level position without acknowledging the economic leverage we DON'T have and are scraping to collect.

 

[lib123]

OK.

I guess we should have no black executives.

Thanks for clearing that up.

This shyt isn't easy, but its not going to fix itself or get better by lowering the bar of success.

Other groups, despite access to whiteness and ease of going up the social ladder compared to blacks, practice internal quality controls and hold themselves to the highest standards and amongst themselves manage to thrive. The bar must be high, even if it seems so far away.

Again, I'm the one who started the thread about the racism Tidjane Thiam faced at Credit Suisse https://www.thecoli.com/threads/the...-c-e-o-tidjane-thiam-of-credit-suisse.810175/

I keep telling you...I'm aware of ALL of this

I never said that we shouldn’t have Black executives. I’m saying given the amount of intelligent Black people, there should be 10x more Black Fortune 500 executives. But that isn’t going to happen working for the Man. We have to build our own. And yes, all Black people can’t be entrepreneurs or work for other Black people. But we employ each other at a lower rate than basically every other racial group. We need to build our own if we want true widespread wealth

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I never said that we shouldn’t have Black executives. I’m saying given the amount of intelligent Black people, there should be 10x more Black Fortune 500 executives. But that isn’t going to happen working for the Man. We have to build our own. And yes, all Black people can’t be entrepreneurs or work for other Black people. But we employ each other at a lower rate than basically every other racial group. We need to build our own if we want true widespread wealth

Intelligence is not the only thing that determines moving up that ladder.

But you know this, don't you?

We cant reinvent the wheel. Good jobs are better than no jobs. And we need the experience and cash reserves (from working) to elevate further.

You're asking us to do everything, and nothing, at the same time.

Serious question, are you even helping yourself presently? What are you doing to put yourself in a position to help others, since you're so focused on this collective mission?

 

[lib123]

Intelligence is not the only thing that determines moving up that ladder.

But you know this, don't you?

We cant reinvent the wheel. Good jobs are better than no jobs. And we need the experience and cash reserves (from working) to elevate further.

You're asking us to do everything, and nothing, at the same time.

Serious question, are you even helping yourself presently? What are you doing to put yourself in a position to help others, since you're so focused on this collective mission?

I’m someone who was born into relatively privileged circumstances and left good Corporate America job at a young age to try to build something

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I’m someone who was born into relatively privileged circumstances and left good Corporate America job at a young age to try to build something

Even if I believed that, and frankly, I don't believe that, why are you shytting on any other black person trying to figure it out?

 

[lib123]

Even if I believed that, and frankly, I don't believe that, why are you shytting on any other black person trying to figure it out?

Lol I have no reason to lie on The Coli. Not downing anyone, just saying more of us with financial cushion need to bet on ourselves and build.

 

[Cadillac]

This..... Umar is brilliant to people who don't know shyt to begin with... but with that being said, he is a very good orator

unfortunately being a good orator is all you need to get a crowd.

 

[invalid]

Some of us are building our own tables, like every other racial group, instead of begging for "a seat at the table".

This is not happening with every other group with exception to the Jews.

Every other group literally idolizes white people and are fighting to get a seat at the table.

 

[invalid]

I disagree.

Negligence means they do nothing. And thats not true. The Boule absolutely look out, but yes there is a behaviorally classist element to it. It is absolutely pro-black though. They are engaged in black politics, black economics, and black academia. But its rooted in blackness. It always has. The problem is that the uneducated and unrefined find it hard to navigate in that world, while these black elites have mastered how to straddle that line. Make no mistake. They KNOW they're black, but they're not about to be fukked up in the game over it. Umar is stuck on paper bag tests from the turn of the last century just so he can avoid having to address a rising black upper class and what it takes to get there.

Remember, Umar has a PhD. He himself is an academic elite, whether or not he wants to admit.

Talking all this revolution talk is sweet, but many like Umar use it as a defense against actual action.

I think we're saying the same thing.

 

[Cadillac]

Also Umar playcates/appeals to a number of audiences so no matter how dumb he is proven, he will still have a crowd

he playcates to Black women with the downtalk on ADOS Black men("love your queens", "say no to white women", etc)

playcates to nonados crowd via pan africanism

the woke/hotep crowd who are all talk

these crowds will keep him feed espescially the Black women crowd,