Umar vs The Boule (Debate)

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Some of this anti-elite talk confuses me. We should want people with their foot in the door with access to resources and power over decision making and influence to direct leaders. Of course not everyone can have that. So now it becomes the need to bring everyone else along.

I think some of yall don't know these black elites. They're easily more pro-black than A LOT of these Umar types because they know how to actually deliver within the system.

Yeah, aspects of it are problematic and exclusionary. But at some point, there has to be a realization that theres a ladder and we should be trying to climb it.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Jokes aside, as an individual Umar has done a lot to educate Black people on the realities of White Supremacy. You don’t see the Boule types openly challenging and calling out White Supremacy. Many weren’t even using the term White Supremacy in the open until saying it became mainstream under Trump. While education is great, in and of itself focusing solely on education is still funneling Black people into an underclass with ‘good jobs’ working for the Man. They don’t call out and challenge the system because the Boule themselves are heavily dependent on it. And in many cases, they do the bidding of White Supremacy by telling Black people to vote blue no matter what and seek White acceptance.

Oh. Now we're having a conversation.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

infiltrated, decimated, died poor

Boule: indoctrinated, passified, will die 2nd class

And I know you don't see it, but you actually proved my point.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

I hate that he's become a meme

But you have to admit, those memes are great.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Boule: indoctrinated, passified, will die 2nd class

And I know you don't see it, but you actually proved my point.

Do you want advancement? Or not?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Jokes aside, as an individual Umar has done a lot to educate Black people on the realities of White Supremacy. You don’t see the Boule types openly challenging and calling out White Supremacy. Many weren’t even using the term White Supremacy in the open until saying it became mainstream under Trump. While education is great, in and of itself focusing solely on education is still funneling Black people into an underclass with ‘good jobs’ working for the Man. They don’t call out and challenge the system because the Boule themselves are heavily dependent on it. And in many cases, they do the bidding of White Supremacy by telling Black people to vote blue no matter what and seek White acceptance.

Why be adversarial when you can take it down from the inside?

Some of yall really seem upset some people have figure out way in from the inside.

But then some of yall would have to admit that you don't have the skill to navigate up that ladder.

 

[invalid]

Black Panthers?

Black panthers was an organization that operated in the same way as a non-profit interest group. They had access to state legislators and politicians, they held fundraising campaigns, they charged for speaking engagements, and encouraged in-kind donations.

The bigger part is, the black panthers were
an organization that operated as an organization with oversight.

Umar is a one man show without a team or any other oversight.

No entity worth their salt would want to donate any substantial money to a person like that without accountability except to himself.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Do you want advancement? Or not?

False choice. And your definition of advancement is poor.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

I've said this before to @The Hon. Stringer Bell , you can't do anything for the black community broke.

Black Panthers?

Black panthers was an organization that operated in the same way as a non-profit interest group. They had access to state legislators and politicians, they held fundraising campaigns, they charged for speaking engagements, and encouraged in-kind donations.

The bigger part is, the black panthers were
an organization that operated as an organization with oversight.

Umar is a one man show without a team or any other oversight.

No entity worth their salt would want to donate any substantial money to a person like that without accountability except to himself.

Black Panthers weren't the boule, as you know. They were broke. The people who supported them were broke.

So between me and you, we went from "you can't help black people when you're broke" to "you can't help black people when you're not organized".

 

[invalid]

Hispanics for years had a lower rate of income than blacks and they're married at a higher clip.

If everything you see is through the eyes of success than it's not worth talking about, it's people out there that value family and structure even structured in poverty over class based policies.

A big reason we have it so hard as black people is because we constantly think we're not doing well and we feel we have to improve that mentality leads to individual achievements and tend to fail away from community building.

The Jews came together after Hilter and they damn near took over the US financial system.

Umar's point is solid even with their resource the elite do little to help the community, the same dudes you send to school to become doctors and lawyers are the same ones who leave the community never to return.

If we're being honest and really care about the black community love and marriages should be on the list first.

You have to realize there are some things you have to do for self instead of relying on help from someone from the outside.

Black love and marriage has to be taught in the household. That is a parent's responsibility. Trying to put that responsibility on black macro leadership is lazy.

Furthermore, black people who were interested in black love and marriage actually have already put that desire into action. That's why the black upper class created Jack and Jill of America - to unite their families in black pride as to be able to ensure the propagation of their black bloodlines, and the propagation of their black wealth.

Others have come along and created similar organization not geared for simply the exclusives, organizations like Hansel & Gretel and Top Teens of America among a host of others.

Point is, black love and marriage is something that you teach in your household and not what we should be leveraging black leadership for.

And as for black lawyers and black doctors not being in the community, you need to provide statistics, because almost every black lawyer and doctor I know, lives around other black people and serves a primarily black client base. Seems like your regurgitating falsehoods from somewhere not based on reality.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

False choice. And your definition of advancement is poor.

nah, I've seen the black elite at work. They've quarterbacked more black talent into positions of wealth and access and influence than YouTube ranters and ravers.

I'm not hating on people working from the inside.

We have roles to play.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Black Panthers weren't the boule, as you know. They were broke. The people who supported them were broke.

So between me and you, we went from "you can't help black people when you're broke" to "you can't help black people when you're not organized".

the panthers?

you're talking about the panthers in 2021?

 

[Secure Da Bag]

the panthers?

you're talking about the panthers in 2021?

Boy, you love to spin a convo into bullshyt, don't you. You can't be honest for a second.

 

[invalid]

Black Panthers weren't the boule, as you know. They were broke.

No they weren't the boule. But broke doesn't mean anyone that is not wealthy and in the boule.

The BP had talent that was able to leverage connections and acquire resources to fund their projects.

The people who supported them were broke.

This is a absolutely not true.

So between me and you, we went from "you can't help black people when you're broke" to "you can't help black people when you're not organized".

Fair enough. I was using broke in a way to mean the inability to leverage connections or acquire capital. What they were speaking about in the vid.

In that sense, I don't view BP as a broke organization, in the way that you may.

If you are talking about them as individuals, well yeah, being a communist organization and subscribing to Marxist thought, the chances of any of them being individual wealthy was low.

BP is an exception.

My point is, you need access and capital to get things done. And as an organization, BP was able to leverage both to fund their agendas.

In 2021, not being able to leverage either poses as a barrier to getting anything done.

 

[invalid]

I think some of yall don't know these black elites. They're easily more pro-black than A LOT of these Umar types because they know how to actually deliver within the system.

I think Umar is right, that among the broader black elite, there has been a sort of negligence.

But among what LOG defines as the black upper class, that segment of the black elite, their entire history has been one of uplift and civil rights.

The problem is Umar is conflating the two groups while LOG is trying to make the distinction.