Vegeta's Death :sadbron:

[Urbanmiracle]

Goten never suffered any great truama and neither did baby trunks. It's assumed after their respective fathers turned SSJ it was simply passed down in their genes.

Intact Goten first turned SSJ on scene when his mother was giving him a bath and he looked as if he has been doing it secretly all the time.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Thats to become a ssj1. That was the only time they mentioned it. Goku went to ssj2 and ssj3 just training and fighting. Wasn't any need or anything because he was dead. And besides gohan changed to ssj1 and 2 in the room.So youre going to tell me it was impossible for earths greatest fighter to do the same?

That was filler breh. Im done. Using filler to try to argue against stated facts is just...

Bringing up Goten and Trunks is a really good point. Great job (seriously) but its general concensus that it was BS. That being said, it cant be refuted that they turned ssj but it was filler (yet again) as to how. Its never showed HOW they changed the first time. They only show us the first time that someone else SAW it. Just like Vegeta did. So I repeat: You don't know what it took Goku to become ssj2 because they never showed or implied it. It took an emotional trigger for Goku to become ssj, it took an emotional trigger for Vegeta to become ssj, it took Gohan an emotional trigger to become ssj and it took Gohan an emotional trigger to become ssj2 but now all the sudden that philosphy changes because you just dont believe so? The fact that you only watched the anime means you instantly disqualified yourself from any debate because you dont know the difference. Biggest mistake in all the land is using filler breh. I cant continue under these conditions. You have the ability to make great points but you need to change your source material otherwise you'll run into someone like me who has been at this dbz game a minute. Its all good though homey, daps for being a dbz fan but you not ready for this type of conversation just yet.

 

[Renkz]

You guys know that Akira hated Vegeta which explains alot.

apperently he intended for Vegeta to be killed in the Saiyan Saga by Krillin, but the fans and fellow writers loved Vegeta, so they forced him to let him live, he then decided to rebell by trying to make Vegeta seem weak, assuming that the weakness would make fans hate him as much as Toriyama did, the weakness just made him more human compared to the boring invincible Goku who never loses, thus making him more relatable, then He tried to make Vegeta seem stupid, by suddenly making him a blithering idiot in the Android/cell saga, then he tried to shift Focus to his actuall favorite character Piccolo for a while.....didn't work, so then he made Gohan the focus(as he had originally intended for the saiyan saga), kinda worked, eventually in the Buu saga he just got fed up, ans basically stopped writing any diologue for Vegeta, the fact that Vegeta suddenly became silent in the Buu saga, made it seem like something was bothering Vegeta which made him more interesting to fans, then he tried to make Vegeta evil again.......the fans thought that was cool, then he beat Goku......his fans rejoiced, then he gave up and made Vegeta kill himself while crying to Trunks that he was a terrible father, that just made him seem even more likeable, because it showed he had emotions...more emotions than Goku who only ever displays happiness anyway, then he decided to just ruin Vegeta's characterization completely and suddenly make him love Goku with no explaination as to why as his last attempt to make everyone hate Vegeta as much as him......it just made Vegeta's fans dislike the Buu saga, oddly, he's now officially removed the Buu saga from Canon, though he kept Buu himself intact

 

[loki]

That was filler breh. Im done. Using filler to try to argue against stated facts is just...

I repeat. You don't know what it took Goku to become ssj2 because they never showed or implied it. It took an emotional trigger for Goku to become ssj, it took an emotional trigger for Vegeta to become ssj, it took Gohan an emotional trigger to become ssj and it took Gohan an emotional trigger to become ssj2 but now all the sudden that philosphy changes because you just dont believe so? The fact that you only watched the anime means you instantly disqualified yourself from any debate because you dont know the difference. Biggest mistake in all the land is using filler breh. I cant continue under these conditions. Its all good though homey, daps for being a dbz fan but you not ready for this type of conversation just yet.

How about you mention goten and trunks as well. Fact is they only showed it for ssj. There are no facts or anything suggesting that you need anything beyond fighting and training to succeed past ssj. Fact is there were a couple of characters that achieved it without the emotional trigger. Call it filler. Call it thrown in the bushes, call it whatever. Fact is that you have absolutely no facts supporting your argument just like you say I don't. But I'm done as well

 

[Sterling Archer]

How about you mention goten and trunks as well. Fact is they only showed it for ssj. There are no facts or anything suggesting that you need anything beyond fighting and training to succeed past ssj. Fact is there were a couple of characters that achieved it without the emotional trigger. Call it filler. Call it thrown in the bushes, call it whatever. Fact is that you have absolutely no facts supporting your argument just like you say I don't. But I'm done as well

I edited my post that you quoted to somewhat address what I assumed you would bring up. Seems we did it at the same time.

 

[Nintendough]

The writer trying his hardest to throw dirt on Vegeta's name only to make him more loved by fans. He put his weak emotions ahead of the desire of the fans.

 

[Dillah810]

Smfh @ piccolo straight up like

"i am sorry vegeta. When you die you will be going to hell "

I hate it had to him. Vegeta is the fukking GOAT

At least Piccolo was man enough to be straight up with him. I know a lot of people would lie straight to Vegeta's face in the same scenario.

 

[MMS]

It didn't even have to come to that. Goku didn't even spend his full day inside the chamber and he had another day that he passed on to train out in the real world. He could have easily gotten much stronger so he could defeat cell or develop gohan more.

Always wonder why vegeta didn't get close to Goku and gohans strength because I'm pretty sure he took Goku time in the chamber for himself

if this was real "fake" life

vegeta's work ethic would have gotten Goku killed numerous times

Vegeta worked hard every day, every moment

just for Toriyama to shyt on him

if Vegeta was rewarded for his work...he woulda killed goku in the frieza saga when he switched bodies, would killed the ginyu force

gutted both krillen and goku hoe son and fathered Trunks much earlier :dro:

i blame Toriyama

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

if this was real "fake" life

vegeta's work ethic would have gotten Goku killed numerous times

Vegeta worked hard every day, every moment

just for Toriyama to shyt on him

if Vegeta was rewarded for his work...he woulda killed goku in the frieza saga when he switched bodies, would killed the ginyu force

gutted both krillen and goku hoe son and fathered Trunks much earlier :dro:

i blame Toriyama

Right before the magin vegeta saga he trained for 7 years straight non stop. Goku would have gotten fukking killed in that fight in only for the worst rewriting garbage. In fact he didn't win Vegeta actually defeated him and knocked him out.



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[Swiggy]

Right before the magin vegeta saga he trained for 7 years straight non stop. Goku would have gotten fukking killed in that fight in only for the worst rewriting garbage. In fact he didn't win Vegeta actually defeated him and knocked him out.



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Before Vince Toriyama changed the script and had Goku to go over Buu, Vegeta was the illest, most powerful being on Earth. I thought once Saiyans got taken out, they come back stronger? Vegeta came back worse than Han Solo in Return of the Jedi, just mad corny.

His return should have been the beginning of his next ascension, even if it wasn't SS3. He could have retrained some of the powers Babadi imprinted, making Mystic Gohan look like Orange Star High Gohan

nikka was too vicious when he went Majin Vegeta. I dared anything pre-World Tournament Saga try to show their face.

Vegeta would have dusted nikkas like he did Pui Pui

 

[jdashmaj]

This was the illest entrance in DBZ I don't care if it was a filler movie or if Vegeta ultimately got thrashed ...... the first time I seen this fansub back in highschool

 

[Theabbot]

"Kakarot, please. Destroy Frieza. He made me what I am. Don't let him do it to anyone else. *Vegeta raises his hand to Goku* Whatever it takes. Stop him."

YO! When they re-did this scene in Kai, with the new music, it had a nig like On the real.

 

[Days of Future Piff]

You guys know that Akira hated Vegeta which explains alot.

Well that explains why he went from being one of the strongest characters to

status.

At least Piccolo was man enough to be straight up with him. I know a lot of people would lie straight to Vegeta's face in the same scenario.

Piccolo couldn't just let him die without hitting him with the

Spoiler

 

[BulletProof]

The writer trying his hardest to throw dirt on Vegeta's name only to make him more loved by fans. He put his weak emotions ahead of the desire of the fans.

Toriyama really hated his father.

 

[acri1]

I really can't find any death in DBZ sad because literally EVERYBODY gets wished back. I don't care how permanent the characters try to convince you it'll be, there's literally nobody (other than villains) that doesn't end up coming back. So it's just like when somebody dies.

But that said, it was pretty funny how that chump Vegeta's suicide attack didn't kill anybody but him.