Venezuela Crisis: Failed coup attempt by Juan Guaido; Military remains supporting Nicholas Maduro

[DonKnock]

Abby Martin and Steven Crowder. So only 1 out of 3 people you disagree with.

Crowder, who is still ducking Sam Seder btw, is not a good faith actor.

Even if you agree with his position, do not plug him as credible, find some another outlet.

Neither is Dore.

 

[Duppy]

Moreno was Coreas Vice President ..how is he far right now? I guess he should’ve just overlooked all the corruption and let everything slide?



Wait this article was written by Corea himself?



All these countries like Peru Brazil Colombia and Ecuador are overwhelmed with Venezuelan immigrants everyday.

Yeah after he got elected he removed a lot of stuff Correa did to keep the wealthy and banks in check and also made a term limit into a thing effectively preventing Correa from running again, but yeah he's definitely just the same as Correa and not a reactionary

 

[Tres Leches]

So term limit is a bad thing now? Imagine if trump could run indefinitely

 

[thatrapsfan]

It’s mind blowing honestly. How do people not see what’s going on here? Like we haven’t been through Iraq and Libya already. Plus I think it’s the height of arrogance to only cover the opposition while dismissing the Chavistas as either a misguided bunch or a totally non-existent entity within Venezuela. Mind you, this country is investigating our own sitting president on the legitimacy of his appointment but he and his wild ass cabinet somehow have the moral high ground to pass judgment on Maduro. Gtfoh and stop wasting my tax dollars to destabilize another country in the pursuit of absolute hemispheric hegemony.

I’m pretty thankful that I was a rebellious student as a kid. Had I put my faith in this trash school system I would be just as lost in the sauce as everyone else is with this strong media spin.

Edit: I also want to make the point that I know Maduro has his faults and the government has mismanaged the economy. But you can’t place crippling sanctions on a country and then have that suddenly be the proof that they have to go. Had their been no sanctions, Maduro’s own supporters would’ve moved him along for a better candidate in a natural political fashion rather than these rehashed tactics from last century.

The sanctions are *not* the cause of Venezuela's economic state. There is very little correlation. The vast majority of the American ones are focused on individuals. There are some related to issuing new debt, but again this isn't an embargo by any means. Venezuela continues to be a top oil exporter to the US, and this has continued unimpeded regardless of the political ties.

This reminds me of Zimbabwe, another country where people point to sanctions on the personal finances of political elite, to account for the mess its leadership created. Its deflection that doesnt match up to the facts.

 

[Duppy]

So term limit is a bad thing now? Imagine if trump could run indefinitely

I see you ignored the part about him undoing the good stuff Correa was doing but hey keep on trucking, they're definitely the exact same, Moreno is not to the right at all, which is exactly why Correa now hates his guts

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

A lot of progressives and leftists are showing their ignorance when it comes to Venezuela just like right-wingers.

TALK ABOUT IT!!!

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Seriously, think about your logic and pray it never happens to our country for the dirt we did. Just because a leader is at fault doesn't justify foreign intervention or violence against them. Westphalian diplomacy was never perfect but this moral triumph neoliberalism/neoconservatism is screwing up our world.

WTF are you even saying?

Theres a coup because Venezuelan's are tired of Maduro and Chavez's legacy of oppression and lack of economic opportunity.

These poeple are using toilet paper as currency.

3 million people have fled the country.

Grow up.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Ro Khanna is wrong and the USA should support POSITIVE leadership.

Thats the moral burden of the united states.

Stop defending him because he's a progressive.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

So you're advocating the US dropping sanctions, ie. getting its foot off of Venezuela's neck and letting it breathe.

Venezuela is literally run by a vice president who is a narco trafficker.

How a Politician Accused of Drug Trafficking Became Venezuela’s Vice President

Report: In Venezuela, Cartels Are Part of Regime

Venezuelan VP claims show there's no separation of drugs and state

U.S. blacklists Venezuela's vice president as drug trafficker | Reuters

I'm done trying to push for this sort of hand holding.

VZ gotta hold their own nuts on this one.

I can't do this thing where progressives just advocate for a world where people are being oppressed and starving because of some push for an ideal socialist society or because you're "tired" of war.

Too bad. This is the United States. it has the pwoer to push for better actors on the world stage.

EVEN progressive talking heads are on some "yeah, maduro is bad" tip...yall just scared of US military intervention

Well guess what, theres a way to prevent that.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Abby Martin and Steven Crowder. So only 1 out of 3 people you disagree with.

Abby Martin would let Russia invade her back yard if they wanted

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

nap unsurprisingly supporting another CIA takeover of a south american country

 

[Tres Leches]

WTF are you even saying?

Theres a coup because Venezuelan's are tired of Maduro and Chavez's legacy of oppression and lack of economic opportunity.

These poeple are using toilet paper as currency.

3 million people have fled the country.

Grow up.

It’s not even a coup this was announced since May 2018 when maduro ran a fraudulent election with his hand picked opponent and appointed judges..the real National Assembly (Legimately elected by the majority of Venezuelan citizens) announced on that day that maduros presidential period would expire on January 10,2019 unless fair elections were called which he never did.



The equivalent would be if trump came out right now and did not recognize the Congress that was just elected in 2018 and created his own congress with people that he were to hand pick himself (all MAGA supporters) and then ran an election against McConnell without allowing any democratic candidate

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

The sanctions are *not* the cause of Venezuela's economic state. There is very little correlation. The vast majority of the American ones are focused on individuals. There are some related to issuing new debt, but again this isn't an embargo by any means. Venezuela continues to be a top oil exporter to the US, and this has continued unimpeded regardless of the political ties.

This reminds me of Zimbabwe, another country where people point to sanctions on the personal finances of political elite, to account for the mess its leadership created. Its deflection that doesnt match up to the facts.

That’s why I put the edit in there to sorta clarify that I’m aware of the mismanagement of the economy. My point is the sanctions and the subversion is making a bad situation worse. There’s very clearly a much less messy way to clean this situation up but it’s not happening and America’s history in the region makes things all the more worrisome.

I was in the middle of your article but I couldn’t finish since I’m at work. Aren’t there sanctions in place which prevent the country from actually getting their oil profits? I need to know the specifics so I can better comment. But this does have shades of Zim. Coming from a political high ground of sorts but there’s so much mismanagement and corruption that it loses said high ground in the midst of the actual issues.

What sucks is how polarized everything is becoming. The more we see meddling in Venezuelan politics the more partisan things will be. IMO, the Chavistas should be taking the lead in replacing Maduro with a better leader that can properly represent them but they’ve got to spend all that energy making sure some neolib quack doesn’t replace him.

 

[thatrapsfan]

That’s why I put the edit in there to sorta clarify that I’m aware of the mismanagement of the economy. My point is the sanctions and the subversion is making a bad situation worse. There’s very clearly a much less messy way to clean this situation up but it’s not happening and America’s history in the region makes things all the more worrisome.

I was in the middle of your article but I couldn’t finish since I’m at work. Aren’t there sanctions in place which prevent the country from actually getting their oil profits? I need to know the specifics so I can better comment. But this does have shades of Zim. Coming from a political high ground of sorts but there’s so much mismanagement and corruption that it loses said high ground in the midst of the actual issues.

What sucks is how polarized everything is becoming. The more we see meddling in Venezuelan politics the more partisan things will be. IMO, the Chavistas should be taking the lead in replacing Maduro with a better leader that can properly represent them but they’ve got to spend all that energy making sure some neolib quack doesn’t replace him.

As it stands there are no sanctions on their oil exports. The Trump Admin is actually considering them and ironically enough American oil refiners are lobbying him to reconsider:

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

 

[Betty Draper]

I’m thrilled that nations are flocking to support him.

Maduro is fukking stubborn though. He will spill blood on the streets before he bows to pressure. He doesn’t care if the economy goes to shyt and he turns the local currency to Monopoly money. He’s already got the top people in the military to support him. So, he’s safe for now. Unless they’re just giving him lip service.