Venezuela Crisis: Failed coup attempt by Juan Guaido; Military remains supporting Nicholas Maduro

[mbewane]

Depends who you ask. So yes, oil. But there's also:

• the foreign policy hawks that don't want substantial China/Russia influence here.
  
• the Capitalists who want to expand into that country's markets.
  
• Trumpset who need a distraction from the blunders of their President this past week.

Especially the first two, because Venezuela's been high on the West's radar way before Trump. It's like making an example of what happens when you don't do as the West pleases.

 

[Perfectson]

Nah.

The Great Depression. The Great Recession. Constant war. Oppressive foreign policy. Recessive domestic policy. Capitalism doesn't work as well as you want us to believe. There's a lot of things in place to keep it afloat.



The world is moving to away from capitalism and more towards socialism. The Quantum-Automation Revolution is gonna force us there whether you like it or not.

Which is what I said earlier, socialism would work if everyone were robots. As of now it will never work.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Especially the first two, because Venezuela's been high on the West's radar way before Trump. It's like making an example of what happens when you don't do as the West pleases.

Or are publicly friends with Fidel Castro.

 

[Perfectson]

Come on breh, I like to bring up Social Democracy vs Socialism because I know you're too much of a clown to know the difference and will just talk out your ass. I'm good on dealing with you, waste of my damned time.

you just started using this term social democracy after i challenged you to find a working socialist model - you started using it less than a month ago (to me). So stop it, again the models you point out aren't social democracy...they are capitalism, same way the U.S. capitalistic with social benefits, is the same as Nordic systems except again Nordic ssytems maybe more capitalistic, they do not want government controlling everything like Sanders/AOC is pushing (except for Immigration apparantly)

 

[JBoy]

Especially the first two, because Venezuela's been high on the West's radar way before Trump. It's like making an example of what happens when you don't do as the West pleases.

A lot of right wingers in America use it as the poster child example of the evils of socialism (never mind their have been several other fairly successful Socialist leaning governments in greater Latin America)

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Which is what I said earlier, socialism would work if everyone were robots. As of now it will never work.

We're not saying the same thing at all. Don't troll.

Venezuela didn't fail because of socialism. Even the article I linked showed that mismanagement and dependency on one commodity was the downfall of Venezuela. It's really the only reasons Venezuela is failing.

 

[Perfectson]

Naïve question : why is the whole world so preoccupied about Venezuela? There's bad leadership, poverty and people fleeing in tons of other countries.

Can't only be the oil right?

instability in the LATAM regions. Same with Brazil and previously Mexico. Lot of US investments put in and then the government decides to take over shyt and kick people out that have already put investments in the country and can't get them out. It's the same with Cuba...rich white cubans still sour about businesses they loss 50+ years ago ...

 

[Secure Da Bag]

So stop it, again the models you point out aren't social democracy...they are capitalism, same way the U.S. capitalistic with social benefits,

Social democracy is literally capitalism with social benefits. And that's what AOC and Sanders have been promoting this entire time.

 

[Perfectson]

We're not saying the same thing at all. Don't troll.

Venezuela didn't fail because of socialism. Even the article I linked showed that mismanagement and dependency on one commodity was the downfall of Venezuela. It's really the only reasons Venezuela is failing.

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how is that not the same thing. Socialism won't work unless everyone is a robot (meaning yu can pace production), which is exactly what Quantum robotics/automation does. IT's the same thing breh, you don't like agreeing I get it but that's been the point , socialism doens't work because people require incentives to work/produce/live etc etc. Robots don't.'

Breh - you just said "this seems to agree with you" (rubbed your chin emoji) now you've doubled down on this bullshyt "dependency" thing. they were capitalistic, they were good, they turned socialist and it went to hell. You can't rewrite history , everyone agrees, you seemingly agreed but hell you hate agreeing with me now you're turning the story around.

You've down it twice in one post, kudos!

 

[Perfectson]

Social democracy is literally capitalism with social benefits. And that's what AOC and Sanders have been promoting this entire time.

fine

AOC and Sanders are not promoting Social Democracy
nor is Venezuela.

i just prefer to call them capitalism with social benefits but whatever helps you bleeding hearts sleep at night.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

no they aren't the same thing, AOC/Sanders are promoting an evolution into socialism and is like saying a progressive and moderate democrat are the same thing! Damn you are you listening to yourself, reserach shyt before you start spouting.

This whole post is all over the place. Look up social democracy before you do anymore posting. Not only do you not have a good grasp of the situation, you're misusing terms again.

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how is that not the same thing. Socialism won't work unless everyone is a robot (meaning yu can pace production), which is exactly what Quantum robotics/automation does. IT's the same thing breh, you don't like agreeing I get it but that's been the point , socialism doens't work because people require incentives to work/produce/live etc etc. Robots don't.'

Breh - you just said "this seems to agree with you" (rubbed your chin emoji) now you've doubled down on this bullshyt "dependency" thing. they were capitalistic, they were good, they turned socialist and it went to hell. You can't rewrite history , everyone agrees, you seemingly agreed but hell you hate agreeing with me now you're turning the story around.

You've down it twice in one post, kudos!

It's clear you don't understand how socialism works or what socialism is. Coops are socialist. Think about that.

Yes, I said the article agrees with you. But that same article clearly points out the mismanagement of the government and the fact that the government overly depended on oil. It wasn't simply, they became socialist so everything went to hell. By that same logic (also in the article), democracy is a failure too. Because in Venezuela, when it was a dictatorship everything was good. Then it became a democracy and everything went to shyt.

Also, Bolivia is a socialist country and is doing quite well. Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, and Greenland are social democracies and are doing quite well. And yes, social democracies are in fact a transition to socialism.

 

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[Perfectson]

This whole post is all over the place. Look up social democracy before you do anymore posting. Not only do you not have a good grasp of the situation, you're misusing terms again.



It's clear you don't understand how socialism works or what socialism is. Coops are socialist. Think about that.

Yes, I said the article agrees with you. But that same article clearly points out the mismanagement of the government and the fact that the government overly depended on oil. It wasn't simply, they became socialist so everything went to hell. By that same logic (also in the article), democracy is a failure too. Because in Venezuela, when it was a dictatorship everything was good. Then it became a democracy and everything went to shyt.

Also, Bolivia is a socialist country and is doing quite well. Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, and Greenland are social democracies and are doing quite well. And yes, social democracies are in fact a transition to socialism.

1. YOu said we are saying the same thing (capitalism with social programs = social democracy). If you see my post, I edited and said if you're using this term as such then I agree.

2. you said i do not have a good grasp of the situation. I'm more versed in economies and venezuela than you period. You have to google research to keep up and find articles that support what I'm saying. I'm also theone who stated Nordic capitalism is not socialism. The confusion is based on the fact AOC and Bernie or Democratic Socialists, not social democrats and you guys have been misusing the terms previously.

3. No, it was atually quite simply they became socialist and it went to hell. There were tenents of a democratic society in VZ before socialism and they did not go to hell. You have no idea what you're talking about with regards with VZ, so instead of making stuff up and trying to connect puzzle pieces you should leave it to the article you quote which specifically does NOT state or support anything you're saying.

4.

Also, Bolivia is a socialist country and is doing quite well. Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, and Greenland are social democracies and are doing quite well. And yes, social democracies are in fact a transition to socialism.

you just did the same damn thing, Social democracies are not a transition to socialism...that's Democratic Socialism which is what AOC and Bernie are promoting. Two different things.


Bolivia is not a socialist country - the fukk are you talking about. You are regurgitating headlines and again have no idea wtf you're talking about. I'm going to say this, my companies for the past decade has had business in LATAM (not mexico and brazil, all of Latam). I worked banacassurance with several nations and we had a company in Bolivia, Guatemala, Panama, DR, MExico, Brazil, and Ecuador (missing another one). I can tell you Bolivia and Ecuador have high taxes and and large welfare/social programs but are no where near a socialist country. by any definition.

social democracies are capitalistic economies, (by your own definition) which was my point, stop bringing them up as they aren't anywhere near socialist.



Funny how you chastised me for misusing the terms and you turnaround and do it....you're all over the place, get your thoughts together before you reply again.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

1. YOu said we are saying the same thing (capitalism with social programs = social democracy). If you see my post, I edited and said if you're using this term as such then I agree.

Cool.

2. you said i do not have a good grasp of the situation. I'm more versed in economies and venezuela than you period. You have to google research to keep up and find articles that support what I'm saying. I'm also theone who stated Nordic capitalism is not socialism. The confusion is based on the fact AOC and Bernie or Democratic Socialists, not social democrats and you guys have been misusing the terms previously.

That's great. That doesn't help your case here. AOC and Sanders have literally advocated for a system like the Nordic countries. That would be social democracy.

3. No, it was atually quite simply they became socialist and it went to hell. There were tenents of a democratic society in VZ before socialism and they did not go to hell. You have no idea what you're talking about with regards with VZ, so instead of making stuff up and trying to connect puzzle pieces you should leave it to the article you quote which specifically does NOT state or support anything you're saying.

Venezuela had socialism for over 30 years and it didn't go to hell. Maduro sent it to hell. So there goes that point.

4. you just did the same damn thing, Social democracies are not a transition to socialism...that's Democratic Socialism which is what AOC and Bernie are promoting. Two different things.

I told you before to read up before posting again. Didn't I?

Bolivia is not a socialist country - the fukk are you talking about. You are regurgitating headlines and again have no idea wtf you're talking about. I'm going to say this, my companies for the past decade has had business in LATAM (not mexico and brazil, all of Latam). I worked banacassurance with several nations and we had a company in Bolivia, Guatemala, Panama, DR, MExico, Brazil, and Ecuador (missing another one). I can tell you Bolivia and Ecuador have high taxes and and large welfare/social programs but are no where near a socialist country. by any definition.

social democracies are capitalistic economies, (by your own definition) which was my point, stop bringing them up as they aren't anywhere near socialist.

Okay. So Venezuela isn't a socialist country because it has capitalist companies as well.

Funny how you chastised me for misusing the terms and you turnaround and do it....you're all over the place, get your thoughts together before you reply again.

Ah. So now, your schtick to just copy what I say. Cool.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

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