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MAKAVELI25

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A lot of the Obama kids from 2008 who defended everything he did and absolved him of blame during his presidency, began moving to the right, is a theory I have. They didn’t become MAGA, but they are more sympathetic to conservatives than they think.

There is a strong case to be made that what you are saying pertains more to former Bernie supporters than to former Obama, that Bernie to Trump pipeline is real.

And this is coming from someone who has voted for Bernie in a primary.
 

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There is a strong case to be made that what you are saying pertains more to former Bernie supporters than to former Obama, that Bernie to Trump pipeline is real.

And this is coming from someone who has voted for Bernie in a primary.
I don’t think that relationship is as strong

But those that did, from my understanding l and readings, wanted an outside the box candidate. It wasn’t political ideology as much as anti orthodoxy.

That will probably happen again in 2028 since nothing has changed.
 

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Most of South America is celebrating this
I'm from South America and can tell you this is a straight up lie.

The people who are celebrating like crazy are venezuelan immigrants that are happy Maduro is out the paint. But they are also the same people that were celebrating like crazy when Maduro lost the election only for it to be turned into a sham and keep thins as it were. It makes sense they are celebrating, the guy that represents the regime that took them out of their home country is out. But tbh, I've talked to a lot of venezuelans I know and the vast majority is fully aware that 1) this is far from over and 2) Maduro was the figure head but Cabello is the one they are mostly afraid of.

The other people from the region that are celebrating are right wing politicians/nutjobs that use what happened yesterday as a big W against communism.

Most of the people, however are taking this as one more in the many interventions gringos have done in the region and the world :manny:
 

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There is a strong case to be made that what you are saying pertains more to former Bernie supporters than to former Obama, that Bernie to Trump pipeline is real.

And this is coming from someone who has voted for Bernie in a primary.
I know a few of them who went from talking healthcare to screaming qanon conspiracies, promoting infowars employees like posobiec as credible journalists, celebrating acts of imperialism, and sharing nick fuentes videos.
 

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I know a few of them who went from talking healthcare to screaming qanon conspiracies, promoting infowars employees like posobiec as credible journalists, celebrating acts of imperialism, and sharing nick fuentes videos.
Which makes their consistent episodes of finding common ground with them rather than the people who they should closer to ideologically all the more peculiar.
 

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There is a strong case to be made that what you are saying pertains more to former Bernie supporters than to former Obama, that Bernie to Trump pipeline is real.

And this is coming from someone who has voted for Bernie in a primary.
Alot of Bernie supports became bothsiders which is really just blaming the dems for everything because they have not over turned capitalism
 

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Like I said, you people need to grow the fukk up.

When we're at the point where anyone that goes against the hivemind is MAGA, we've jumped the shark.

Venezuelans cheering in the streets and these cats grumping about Trump.

Get real.

And if this site wasn't falling apart, you'd be able to search me calling out posters for posting from right wing social media.

The fact of the matter is, this place has become an echo chamber to the point where people are championing dictators and authoritarian regimes as long as they're AGAINST America and then trying to make it a Black thing on top of that.

"The Left" doesn't have any actual positions and it shows, just endless opposition and taxes and feelings.

What a joke.
The left use to have positions until the Biden administration basically checkmated them on everything.

The left only position in 2024 was anti Isreal because it was the only way they could attack Biden. Now that Trump is in office they have pivoted to the tried and true "America is bad"
 

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It's not a both side arguments, you just know literally nothing about foreign politics. Which begs the question, as always, why you even involve yourself in foreign policy conversations at all.

Talking about topics you know nothing about is definitely not a sign of wisdom.
The Trump administration intervening in Venezuela and @mastermind feeling the need to sane wash this by giving a needless US history lesson is the definition of bothsides. wtf are you talking about?

No one here needs a history lesson on America trying to topple regimes.
 

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There is a strong case to be made that what you are saying pertains more to former Bernie supporters than to former Obama, that Bernie to Trump pipeline is real.

And this is coming from someone who has voted for Bernie in a primary.
Obama to trump is actually a real thing amongst I'D voters, some Bernie bro pundits were grifters and eventually went to the right though, that's to be expected. However, we actually have real data that shows Obama and trump have some shared coalition of voters. A lot of Obama voters were centrist or dejected liberals so it makes sense
 

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The Trump administration intervening in Venezuela and @mastermind feeling the need to sane wash this by giving a needless US history lesson is the definition of bothsides. wtf are you talking about?
No one here needs a history lesson on America trying to topple regimes.
Alabama needs a new secondary set up. Discuss that.
 

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Yup

Ever since Chavez got in charge and nationalized their oil, the US have worked to undermine Venezuela. That’s not a pro Maduro stance, but an anti US imperialism stance. Chavez unfortunately died at the wrong moment and Maduro’s goofy ass got power. We really back to mid 20th century imperialism.
 
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