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[theflyest]

Excluding Turk is wack. And I still think the whole "Turk is the weakest link. Nobody wanted to hear Turk" is revisionist. Honestly, Juvenile is the reason that whole thing popped off the way it day. 400 Degreez snowballed into CMR taking over like it did and Wayne was pretty much in the same boat as Turk during that initial run. Turk just didn't get an album out in 1999 when it would've mattered. When I say "would've mattered", I'm saying that something happened between late 1999 and 2000 to where it seemed like CMR cooled off. When the smoke cleared, Big Tymers were CMR's marquee artists until Lil' Wayne redefined himself and completely changed his style.

By the time, Turk did drop a solo, it was too late. Still, his album did about the same numbers as B.G.'s Checkmate and Wayne's Lights Out. Juvenile wasn't even going platinum at that point. Project English stalled at gold.

Turk was the weakest link, and this is coming from someone that was listening to CMR BEFORE the Universal deal.

He appeared on BG’s All On U Vol.1 & 2. Juvenile’s Soulja Rags, and Hot Boys ”Get it how you live.” The nygga has always been mediocre. I was actually surprised CMR went ahead with that Turk solo album.

Now I agree he should be there, but him being viewed as the weakest link is nothing new.

 

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[JustCKing]

Turk was the weakest link, and this is coming from someone that was listening to CMR BEFORE the Universal deal.

He appeared on BG’s All On U Vol.1 & 2. Juvenile’s Soulja Rags, and Hot Boys ”Get it how you live.” The nygga has always been mediocre. I was actually surprised CMR went ahead with that Turk solo album.

Now I agree he should be there, but him being viewed as the weakest link is nothing new.

He was about as mediocre as Wayne was. Juve and B.G. were at the forefront. Wayne ain't have an album until '99. Turk didn't drop an album until 2001. Nobody looked at Turk as a weak link or mediocre.

Same way, nobody was saying Silkk was wack in 1998. All this is revisionist on some "you know what, looking back such and such wasn't all that".

 

[theflyest]

He was about as mediocre as Wayne was. Juve and B.G. were at the forefront. Wayne ain't have an album until '99. Turk didn't drop an album until 2001. Nobody looked at Turk as a weak link or mediocre.

Same way, nobody was saying Silkk was wack in 1998. All this is revisionist on some "you know what, looking back such and such wasn't all that".

Agree to disagree

You’re speaking for yourself

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Excluding Turk is wack. And I still think the whole "Turk is the weakest link. Nobody wanted to hear Turk" is revisionist. Honestly, Juvenile is the reason that whole thing popped off the way it day. 400 Degreez snowballed into CMR taking over like it did and Wayne was pretty much in the same boat as Turk during that initial run. Turk just didn't get an album out in 1999 when it would've mattered. When I say "would've mattered", I'm saying that something happened between late 1999 and 2000 to where it seemed like CMR cooled off. When the smoke cleared, Big Tymers were CMR's marquee artists until Lil' Wayne redefined himself and completely changed his style.

By the time, Turk did drop a solo, it was too late. Still, his album did about the same numbers as B.G.'s Checkmate and Wayne's Lights Out. Juvenile wasn't even going platinum at that point. Project English stalled at gold.

Funny enough this has been a repeated point of contention on this board over the years…with a lot of weird retconning about the status and popularity of Wayne and Turk back in those days …to the point I actually found the ACTUAL soundscan numbers of what Bling Bling era Cash Money albums sold pretty much right up to before Wayne exploded and his back catalogue started selling at a faster pace than the others (data was from a July 2005 Sound Scan report that included a Cash Money catalog retrospective of what it sold up to that point)


People Need To Stop Acting Like Lil Wayne Wasnt The Weakest Link Of The Hot Boys

Soundscan Album Sales 7/27/2005

1 VARIOUS NOW 19 436,102 999 1,650 437,760 2 CAREY*MARIAH EMANCIPATION OF MIMI 89,875 -10 99,449 2,603,195 3 KELLY*R. TP.3 RELOADED 83,159 -40 139,462 717,955 5 BOW WOW WANTED 61,282 -49 119,413 181,051 6 BLACK EYED PEAS MONKEY BUSINESS 60,025 -8 65,012 838,038 8 MARY MARY MARY MARY...

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Juvenile - 400 Degreez - 1998-11-03 - 4,741,440

B.G. - Chopper City In The Ghetto - 1999-04-13 - 1,127,529

Lil Wayne - Tha Block Is Hot - 1999-11-02 - 1,325,492

Juvenile - G-Code - 1999-12-07 - 1,378,558

Big Tymers - I Got That Work - 2000-05-09 - 1,433,992

B.G. - Checkmate - 2000-11-21 - 554,793

Lil Wayne- Lights Out - 2000-12-12 - 851,685

Turk - Young & Thuggin -2001-06-05 -325,401

Big Tymers - Hood Rich - 2002-04-23- 1,221,472

Baby - Birdman - 2002-11-26 - 590,082


Some takeaways: Wayne was the 2nd biggest solo act from that era of Cash Money by a pretty comfortable margin …and Turk had far and away the least successful project out of the bunch. This idea that Wayne and Turk were anywhere close to equal footing back then is patently false

 

[JustCKing]

Funny enough this has been a repeated point of contention on this board over the years…with a lot of weird retconning about the status and popularity of Wayne and Turk back in those days …to the point I actually found the ACTUAL soundscan numbers of what Bling Bling era Cash Money albums sold pretty much right up to before Wayne exploded and his back catalogue started selling at a faster pace than the others (data was from a July 2005 Sound Scan report that included a Cash Money catalog retrospective of what it sold up to that point)


People Need To Stop Acting Like Lil Wayne Wasnt The Weakest Link Of The Hot Boys

Soundscan Album Sales 7/27/2005

1 VARIOUS NOW 19 436,102 999 1,650 437,760 2 CAREY*MARIAH EMANCIPATION OF MIMI 89,875 -10 99,449 2,603,195 3 KELLY*R. TP.3 RELOADED 83,159 -40 139,462 717,955 5 BOW WOW WANTED 61,282 -49 119,413 181,051 6 BLACK EYED PEAS MONKEY BUSINESS 60,025 -8 65,012 838,038 8 MARY MARY MARY MARY...

www.illmuzik.com

Juvenile - 400 Degreez - 1998-11-03 - 4,741,440

B.G. - Chopper City In The Ghetto - 1999-04-13 - 1,127,529

Lil Wayne - Tha Block Is Hot - 1999-11-02 - 1,325,492

Juvenile - G-Code - 1999-12-07 - 1,378,558

Big Tymers - I Got That Work - 2000-05-09 - 1,433,992

B.G. - Checkmate - 2000-11-21 - 554,793

Lil Wayne- Lights Out - 2000-12-12 - 851,685

Turk - Young & Thuggin -2001-06-05 -325,401

Big Tymers - Hood Rich - 2002-04-23- 1,221,472

Baby - Birdman - 2002-11-26 - 590,082


Some takeaways: Wayne was the 2nd biggest solo act from that era of Cash Money by a pretty comfortable margin …and Turk had far and away the least successful project out of the bunch. This idea that Wayne and Turk were anywhere close to equal footing back then is patently false

LOL. Wayne put out albums during the height of CMR mania. There wasn't a Trunk album until that initial run had fizzled out. Nobody's disputing that Turk had the least successful album of the Hot Boys.

 

[Stick Up Kid]

Hopefully Cash Money bring out Mack 10 for this classic

 

[Monoblock]

He would be in the city throwing some shyt. I swear I hate what Houston has become.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

He was about as mediocre as Wayne was. Juve and B.G. were at the forefront. Wayne ain't have an album until '99. Turk didn't drop an album until 2001. Nobody looked at Turk as a weak link or mediocre.

Same way, nobody was saying Silkk was wack in 1998. All this is revisionist on some "you know what, looking back such and such wasn't all that".

lol, you doing too much. We definitely looked at Turk as mediocre and forgettable. No, Wayne wasn’t that guy yet, but he definitely had moments and a presence that gave him more notice, then he always had at least a single or two that blew up from his albums. Turk was the equivalent of Latavia in DC…role player to the max. And CMR didn’t blow up nationally until 98, you acting like Wayne not dropping until 99 was some long wait to introduce him, that was very much still within CMRs hottest years

 

[JustCKing]

lol, you doing too much. We definitely looked at Turk as mediocre and forgettable. No, Wayne wasn’t that guy yet, but he definitely had moments and a presence that gave him more notice, then he always had at least a single or two that blew up from his albums. Turk was the equivalent of Latavia in DC…role player to the max. And CMR didn’t blow up nationally until 98, you acting like Wayne not dropping until 99 was some long wait to introduce him, that was very much still within CMRs hottest years

And Turk had his moments too. Both of them were supporting players.

And you're misconstruing what I said. Me mentioning Wayne dropping in 1999 was to further drive the point that he dropped an album during their initial commercial run. It had nothing to do with how long it took between Get It How You Live until his debut. The point was Turk didn't get a release until 2001. CMR was nowhere near as big when Turk finally dropped. Big Tymers were at the forefront of CMR by then.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

And Turk had his moments too. Both of them were supporting players.

And you're misconstruing what I said. Me mentioning Wayne dropping in 1999 was to further drive the point that he dropped an album during their initial commercial run. It had nothing to do with how long it took between Get It How You Live until his debut. The point was Turk didn't get a release until 2001. CMR was nowhere near as big when Turk finally dropped. Big Tymers were at the forefront of CMR by then.

Literally no one at school quoted turk lines nor talked about him if not talking about the 4 of them. And we were super cash money Stans back then. Turk was forgettable my guy. Don’t know how to put it, but even tho Wayne wasnt known as being nice, dude still stood out above Turk, he had more star power plus the “youngest of the pack” thing working for him. I can vividly remember conversations about him and whether he’d get better, never had a Turk convo in my life.

 

[JustCKing]

Literally no one at school quoted turk lines nor talked about him if not talking about the 4 of them. And we were super cash money Stans back then. Turk was forgettable my guy. Don’t know how to put it, but even tho Wayne wasnt known as being nice, dude still stood out above Turk, he had more star power plus the “youngest of the pack” thing working for him. I can vividly remember conversations about him and whether he’d get better, never had a Turk convo in my life.

At your school. Your school isn't the rest of the world. Wayne put out a whole album when the world stanned CMR. Turk didn't and that's the point. We will never know what Turk would've or could've been because he didn't put out an album until CMR had fizzled out. They even dropped another Hot Boys album that went nowhere with Let Em Burn. I remember Turk's album being anticipated. I remember there being hype when "Its In Me" dropped.