Vice Documentary: "Rescuing Ex-Muslims: Leaving Islam"

[bigesco]

You're not even a real Muslim but you want to try to tell me something about Islam. You can't reject the sunnah and then try to speak for the majority of muslims who DO accept it as half their deen.

The only reason you even know about Muhammad is because of the Hadith a.k.a. SUNNAH.

When I brought up banu qurayzah, the jewish tribe that Muhammad pretty much exterminated, you defended the act. Let me ask you, if you deny the validity of Hadith, then on what basis can you even comment on that event to the extent that you did? Or do you just pick and choose which Hadith you accept and reject according to your own whims, ie; "this sounds good, I'll accept it, this doesn't, I reject it..." ???? FOH with that dishonest bullshyt.

Hadith is one element of sunnah. Sunnah is divided into 3 parts. The physical actions & the way he led his life is vastly different than stories told by other people about what he said. Thats why there is strong hadith, weak hadith, etc. The event that you mentioned is historical fact, with concrete evidence about what happened.

The Quran is comprehensive, everything we need to live our lives righteously is in it. Hadith cannot be verified, and was compiled centuries after his death. If it doesnt contradict and / or add to the Quran, then it can be accepted. Otherwise, it cant be. Do muslims follow hadith religiously? Yes. Should they? No.

This is the last revelation sent to the prophet

الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِي وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ الْإِسْلَامَ دِينًا
"This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.

It doesnt say wait a couple of hundred years so that this guy named Bukhari compiles a book for you to also follow. Many of the things people use to criticize Islam now are straight from Hadith and have never been mentioned in the Quran. Same with Sharia law. There is no Sharia Law in the Quran. Another man made collection of laws, some from quran and some from hadith or their imagination.

 

[bigesco]

Oh i get it..the hadith is not mentioned in the 5 pillars of Islam.

The 5 pillars is not mentioned in the Quran breh In fact, the 5 pillars are only mentioned in Hadith.

Learn the deen properly and put the dikk down breh

 

[bigesco]

Double

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

The 5 pillars is not mentioned in the Quran breh In fact, the 5 pillars are only mentioned in Hadith.

Learn the deen properly and put the dikk down breh

 

[Solomon Caine]

Quran supersedes everything else breh. Bukhari and his "stories" can be left to the salafis and wahabis

And no compulsion in religion means nobody is forced to be shyt, whether they were born muslim or not.

I was agreeing with everything you said until this point. Please don't refer to the Hadith as 'stories'.

The Hadith where narrated and memoriesed by companions of the prophet (saw) who knew him personally such as Abu Hurayrah and others. So to dismiss them you are basically dismissing their work. I do agree there are weak Hadiths and made up ones that are repeated often by Muslims, without even knowing. But Majority of them in Bukhari and Muslim are sahih and cannot be dismissed.

 

[joeychizzle]

by accident.

HIV on your birthday

tua you cold as fukk

I saw this facebook post about brehs injecting bananas with HIV blood
Usually I just ignore the fake shyt but if it's true

@napoleon don't eat NO bananas until it's the month after ya birthday breh

 

[Techniec]

That's even worse. You belong in ghost town in Etobicoke with the rest of the Somali fobs. Ya'll are the most crusty smelly people in Toronto. FOH ya'll don't run shyt.

looking mufukka.

What you know about Ghost Town?

 

[Uncle_Ruckus]

What you know about Ghost Town?

I lived there with family for minute.

 

[Techniec]

I lived there with family for minute.

Yeah eh...what years..

 

[Uncle_Ruckus]

Yeah eh...what years..

2005 in one of the white buildings behind the No Frills at Dixon/Kipling. Forgot the number.

 

[Solomon Caine]

Dumbass don't know shyt.

If that nikka actually looked into the shyt going on in Indonesia today he would change his mind with the quickness. Not everything is good over there as you think. Use your googles.

Indonesia's Aceh province enacts Islamic criminal code

Indonesia: Hundreds cheer as unmarried pair are flogged for being 'too close'

My best friend from high school was from Indo, he's back home right now and guess what he informed me of a few years ago? That he decided to leave Islam..
Naturally during the initial shock his brother n father discerned him but that is about as far as it went.

He would always ask me blasphemous questions back in the day, but didn't think he would go through with it. To each his own tho, not like I won't say wats up and have a conversation with him if I see him.

 

[bigesco]

I was agreeing with everything you said until this point. Please don't refer to the Hadith as 'stories'.

The Hadith where narrated and memoriesed by companions of the prophet (saw) who knew him personally such as Abu Hurayrah and others. So to dismiss them you are basically dismissing their work. I do agree there are weak Hadiths and made up ones that are repeated often by Muslims, without even knowing. But Majority of them in Bukhari and Muslim are sahih and cannot be dismissed.

Why are muslims so sensitive to Hadith & Bukhari? Bukhari is a human being.

Are you aware when Bukhari existed? and when he compiled his book? Several CENTURIES after the prophets death !

Have you ever played the game telephone as a child? You start with one sentence and pass it down to another, and they pass it down to another, and so on. At the end, it is NEVER the same sentence you started the game with.

How can you be so sure that abu hurayrah or whomever actually said that? How are we sure that they got the message exactly the way it was said by the prophet? We cant and never will. Therefore, hadith takes a back seat to the Quran ALWAYS and can never be trusted 100%, even so called " sahih hadith"

"تِلْكَ آيَاتُ اللَّهِ نَتْلُوهَا عَلَيْكَ بِالْحَقِّ فَبِأَيِّ حَدِيثٍ بَعْدَ اللَّهِ وَآيَاتِهِ يُؤْمِنُونَ

"These are God's revelations that We recite to you with truth. So, in which hadith after God and His revelations do they believe?" [45:6]

God is warning us about Hadith in the book and yet these stupid muslims and imposter imams keep spitting their dogma garnered by Bukhari and his like. Estaghfarallah.

If you go into any mosque these days all they talk about is this hadith or that hadith, rarely ever discussing gods word and the truth. May god guide my lost muslim brothers and sisters back unto the right path. Read the Quran brothers.

 

[Solomon Caine]

Why are muslims so sensitive to Hadith & Bukhari? Bukhari is a human being.

Are you aware when Bukhari existed? and when he compiled his book? Several CENTURIES after the prophets death !

Have you ever played the game telephone as a child? You start with one sentence and pass it down to another, and they pass it down to another, and so on. At the end, it is NEVER the same sentence you started the game with.

How can you be so sure that abu hurayrah or whomever actually said that? How are we sure that they got the message exactly the way it was said by the prophet? We cant and never will. Therefore, hadith takes a back seat to the Quran ALWAYS and can never be trusted 100%, even so called " sahih hadith"

"تِلْكَ آيَاتُ اللَّهِ نَتْلُوهَا عَلَيْكَ بِالْحَقِّ فَبِأَيِّ حَدِيثٍ بَعْدَ اللَّهِ وَآيَاتِهِ يُؤْمِنُونَ

"These are God's revelations that We recite to you with truth. So, in which hadith after God and His revelations do they believe?" [45:6]

God is warning us about Hadith in the book and yet these stupid muslims and imposter imams keep spitting their dogma garnered by Bukhari and his like. Estaghfarallah.

If you go into any mosque these days all they talk about is this hadith or that hadith, rarely ever discussing gods word and the truth. May god guide my lost muslim brothers and sisters back unto the right path. Read the Quran brothers.

The Quran isn't like the Bible a book full of stories that is generally easy to understand, that's why if you have Quran translated in English or your native language there are paragraphs at the bottom of the page that expands on the meanings of words and statements. Is this an innovation also? The Quran uses higher terminology, its the word of Allah. Scholars (Ulama) have played a major role in extracting the tafseer (explanations and interpretations) for the Quran and interpretations of laws.

The Qur’an is the directly revealed word of God (Allah) and the Sunnah gives the practical implications of Qur’an. The Sunnah shows how the commandments and teachings mentioned in Qur’an can be put to practice. Sunnah wipes of all the arguments regarding the practicability of Qur’an’s teachings. It leaves no room for something like, ‘It was easy for God to reveal but difficult for people to practice’. As also mentioned in Qur’an 17:94-95 :-
Click to expand...
Thus by sending a human as messenger for humans God (Allah) left no argument what so ever, and Allah knows the best. Thus the messenger (pbuh)’s life itself acted as a revelation and whatever he did, said or allowed is also from Allah as explained further in this article and mentioned by Allah in Qur’an Surah (chapter) 53, Ayah (verse) 3-4.
Click to expand...​

Show more respect the the companions of the prophet and those of from the generations of the rightly guided. Without the hadith and the prophet (pbuh) life. We would be arguing over interpretation all the time. There are already far too many sects as it is.

I really don't care too much, but are you shia?

 

[y que]

this is an exagerrated subject

a lot of these "apostates" arent really religious to begin with and have chips on their shoulders with their families or whatever else or are just attention whores

people don't seem to understand that islam is a way of life and islamic law is something that runs governments

same as democratic law, communism, etc

there's people who have been persecuted and killed for being traitors and vocal dissenters to their local governments regardless of what ideology or political system is running the government

people could easily leave islam and live whatever life they want but some of these people are just wannabe activists and attention whores that want to be vocal about their hatred of islam and then want to cry when people react

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

Just admit it, muhammed had flaws.