JayBaldacci
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maybe. idk. might be a reach considering he already went at nas on kick in the door. but then again, frank lost what about a wrolie costs and staggered off so it might be true.
Victory.
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maybe. idk. might be a reach considering he already went at nas on kick in the door. but then again, frank lost what about a wrolie costs and staggered off so it might be true.
the rhyme king
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that wasn't a subliminal towards nas the last verse of kick in the door was towards nas
smh at dudes saying Banks bs is better than Biggie's 
fukk is wrong with you
fukk is wrong with you
LandryFieldsDad
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What's really a shame is the Jordan Tyson Jackson line should be timeless
And Tyson and Jackson legacies were really damaged since the song came out
Not taking anything away from a classic song
And Tyson and Jackson legacies were really damaged since the song came out
Not taking anything away from a classic song
Rapmastermind
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The Making of "Victory":
The music video for "Victory", the third most expensive music video ever at $2.7 million dollars, starred Puffy and Busta alongside seasoned actors Danny DeVito and Dennis Hopper. The long version of the video ran 8 minutes and was released by marketing in a promotional boxed set (see picture below at right) that featured the video in full along with a "mini-movie soundtrack" CD featuring the Radio Edit, Extended Radio Mix, Drama Mix (my personal favorite) and Instrumental. The song was also given a rock treatment through a remix by the Nine Inch Nails’ Trent Reznor.
Dent: That just happens to be my favorite song ever. I'm trying to remember at what part I came in doing this. I remember tracking the music and I definitely remember tracking all the vocals. There were a lot of overdubs between that came about that I wasn't in on. But, this one in particular, just because when Big is saying "turn up my headphones", he's actually talking to me. So, that's why I love this song so much. It's just one of them records, he just went in there and he destroyed it. I think that was one of the records where I really noticed how good the guy was. When he walked in the room and he really spit on the microphone and he made it happen.
You know, even Puff's performance on there, that's probably one of the best performances, to this day, that he has ever done, to me. I just remember him doing it. He got into it; the vibe of the whole track. That was like his signature track to me. And he really went in and just kicked it in the a**. I mean, that's the only way I can put it. Like, he really did it. To me, to this day, that's his best track ever done. And, to me, that's my favorite Big record of all time.
Big put his part down and then Puff lived with it for a couple days. Then, he came back and he did his part and, like I said, to me, that's totally his best performance ever, that I've ever heard. And then, when they added the Busta element, when Busta came in, you know it was just a big party. Busta had the amplified lyrics and the amplified attitude to go along with it. It just made the record go from sounding regular to an extra ordinary song to me. Every element about it was just... you know, I remember all those sessions pretty much vividly. Especially for "Victory". I can remember almost everyday we spent on this record.
Puff did this while Big was still alive. This whole thing wasn't done while Big was still alive, but this song was definitely done while Big was still alive. Because I remember them talking about it, sitting in a room, saying that this was gonna be the first record off of Puff's album. I think this was probably one of them records that they did just as a, you know, they were just gonna do it and then, OK, yeah, Puff you gonna do an album, yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't like a big, yeah, we're serious, we're gonna do a Puff album. It was just OK, yeah, OK this is gonna be your first single, ha, ha, ha; you know what I mean?
And they did the record and that's how it came about. But, I don't think... it wasn't complete while Big was still living. The whole thing, like all the overdubs, all the Busta Rhymes on the track - I don't think that was completed while Big was alive. But, I'm pretty sure Puff's vocals were done while Big was still alive. You know what, don't hold me to that. I do remember them doing this and I remember talking about it and I remember Big being in the room when Puff did his vocals, so, you know, maybe I'm just confusing things. That was a long time ago. I know Busta's part wasn't done until after Big had passed. And some final overdubs that Puff did weren’t done. He may have redid his vocals after Big passed, but I'm pretty sure he started before he did.
Patterson: I think the only thing I did was help them with Puffy's vocal set and distortion because I was big into distorted vocals at that point. So, I think that was the only thing I did. It's the first time, I think, in the right speaker, you hear Puffy say something. That is the one song of the whole Bad Boy era, I think, of my time there that I didn't mix that I wish I would have.
I put together Puffy's tour after that and that's what we opened the show with and it was always just like opening an album. It was always such an emotional, powerful thing. And lyrically, it's amazing. It has this dark energy and this heavy energy that I really like and I actually just listen to it and crank it and I always look back on it like I wish I would have mixed that song. The track's amazing. The energy of, you know, Biggie, of course, or Puffy's vocals doing the song, doing his rhyme. And Busta. It's a classic track to me. It's almost like a rock song.
The music video for "Victory", the third most expensive music video ever at $2.7 million dollars, starred Puffy and Busta alongside seasoned actors Danny DeVito and Dennis Hopper. The long version of the video ran 8 minutes and was released by marketing in a promotional boxed set (see picture below at right) that featured the video in full along with a "mini-movie soundtrack" CD featuring the Radio Edit, Extended Radio Mix, Drama Mix (my personal favorite) and Instrumental. The song was also given a rock treatment through a remix by the Nine Inch Nails’ Trent Reznor.
Dent: That just happens to be my favorite song ever. I'm trying to remember at what part I came in doing this. I remember tracking the music and I definitely remember tracking all the vocals. There were a lot of overdubs between that came about that I wasn't in on. But, this one in particular, just because when Big is saying "turn up my headphones", he's actually talking to me. So, that's why I love this song so much. It's just one of them records, he just went in there and he destroyed it. I think that was one of the records where I really noticed how good the guy was. When he walked in the room and he really spit on the microphone and he made it happen.
You know, even Puff's performance on there, that's probably one of the best performances, to this day, that he has ever done, to me. I just remember him doing it. He got into it; the vibe of the whole track. That was like his signature track to me. And he really went in and just kicked it in the a**. I mean, that's the only way I can put it. Like, he really did it. To me, to this day, that's his best track ever done. And, to me, that's my favorite Big record of all time.
Big put his part down and then Puff lived with it for a couple days. Then, he came back and he did his part and, like I said, to me, that's totally his best performance ever, that I've ever heard. And then, when they added the Busta element, when Busta came in, you know it was just a big party. Busta had the amplified lyrics and the amplified attitude to go along with it. It just made the record go from sounding regular to an extra ordinary song to me. Every element about it was just... you know, I remember all those sessions pretty much vividly. Especially for "Victory". I can remember almost everyday we spent on this record.
Puff did this while Big was still alive. This whole thing wasn't done while Big was still alive, but this song was definitely done while Big was still alive. Because I remember them talking about it, sitting in a room, saying that this was gonna be the first record off of Puff's album. I think this was probably one of them records that they did just as a, you know, they were just gonna do it and then, OK, yeah, Puff you gonna do an album, yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't like a big, yeah, we're serious, we're gonna do a Puff album. It was just OK, yeah, OK this is gonna be your first single, ha, ha, ha; you know what I mean?
And they did the record and that's how it came about. But, I don't think... it wasn't complete while Big was still living. The whole thing, like all the overdubs, all the Busta Rhymes on the track - I don't think that was completed while Big was alive. But, I'm pretty sure Puff's vocals were done while Big was still alive. You know what, don't hold me to that. I do remember them doing this and I remember talking about it and I remember Big being in the room when Puff did his vocals, so, you know, maybe I'm just confusing things. That was a long time ago. I know Busta's part wasn't done until after Big had passed. And some final overdubs that Puff did weren’t done. He may have redid his vocals after Big passed, but I'm pretty sure he started before he did.
Patterson: I think the only thing I did was help them with Puffy's vocal set and distortion because I was big into distorted vocals at that point. So, I think that was the only thing I did. It's the first time, I think, in the right speaker, you hear Puffy say something. That is the one song of the whole Bad Boy era, I think, of my time there that I didn't mix that I wish I would have.
I put together Puffy's tour after that and that's what we opened the show with and it was always just like opening an album. It was always such an emotional, powerful thing. And lyrically, it's amazing. It has this dark energy and this heavy energy that I really like and I actually just listen to it and crank it and I always look back on it like I wish I would have mixed that song. The track's amazing. The energy of, you know, Biggie, of course, or Puffy's vocals doing the song, doing his rhyme. And Busta. It's a classic track to me. It's almost like a rock song.
without a doubt
Rapmastermind
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The line is Timeless though which is why it's still gettin Bitten till this day. I don't think MJ or Tyson's legacies are that damaged. Michael Jackson is more popular than ever since his passing and is loved all over the world. Mike Tyson now has turned around his post-boxing career to movies and television. Jordan wasn't perfect, he had gambling issues as well as marriage issues. What makes the line work is when you think of Michael Jackson, you think of Thriller him being on Top. When you think of Michael Tyson, you think of him knockin dudes out in the 1st round and holding the belt. When you think of Michael Jordan, you think of him winning 6 Rings. The line will forever work cause all 3 are loved for being the Best at their craft. I liked the way Jay flipped it on "N!ggas in Paris" but I have to give KanYe props, his recent flip was pretty good:
"If you ever had the Belt, you will know how Michael Felt, Tyson, Jackson, Jordan, Michael Phelps"
KanYe, Big would be proud.
LandryFieldsDad
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The line is Timeless though which is why it's still gettin Bitten till this day. I don't think MJ or Tyson's legacies are that damaged. Michael Jackson is more popular than ever since his passing and is loved all over the world. Mike Tyson now has turned around his post-boxing career to movies and television. Jordan wasn't perfect, he had gambling issues as well as marriage issues. What makes the line work is when you think of Michael Jackson, you think of Thriller him being on Top. When you think of Michael Tyson, you think of him knockin dudes out in the 1st round and holding the belt. When you think of Michael Jordan, you think of him winning 6 Rings. The line will forever work cause all 3 are loved for being the Best at their craft. I liked the way Jay flipped it on "N!ggas in Paris" but I have to give KanYe props, his recent flip was pretty good:
"If you never had the Belt, you will know how Michael Felt, Tyson, Jackson, Jordan, Michael Phelps"
KanYe, Big would be proud.
I worded it wrong
Maybe not being timeless might have been the wrong phrase..
But I should be able to say Mike Tyson was the greatest fighter ever when my grandchildren ask..I can't.
I can say Mike Jackson was the king of pop..but i'm gonna have to explain some other shyt when I should be able to say he was the greatest performer ever and leave it at that
Rapmastermind
Superstar
I get what your saying. For me, I'll just focus on the positive when talking to my Kids about them. If they go to the other stuff, I'll just say they weren't perfect, lol. Tyson is GOAT STATUS though, He's Top 10 All Time (Some have him Top 5). MJ is looked at as the GOAT Entertainer, Thriller will never be outsold. Jordan don't have the most rings but he has the Legacy that still has him as the all out GOAT. It's one of my favorite lines in Rap history, it was great putting those three together like that:
LandryFieldsDad
All Star
I get what your saying. For me, I'll just focus on the positive when talking to my Kids about them. If they go to the other stuff, I'll just say they weren't perfect, lol. Tyson is GOAT STATUS though, He's Top 10 All Time (Some have him Top 5). MJ is looked at as the GOAT Entertainer, Thriller will never be outsold. Jordan don't have the most rings but he has the Legacy that still has him as the all out GOAT. It's one of my favorite lines in Rap history, it was great putting those three together like that:
I hear you..Jordan was the best ever in my eyes ill argue that to the death
I just wish Tyson and mj never got caught up..I don't know
Still an amazing line amazing song
It hurts me to be honest..childhood idols falling from grace..oh well part of growing up I guess
Rapmastermind
Superstar
Well one of the Mike's actually worked with Biggie. Biggie is the only rapper to be featured on more than 1 Michael Jackson LP. Michael featured Biggie on "HIStory and Invincible":
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what year did cam'ron record the 'hate me now' diss towards nas? was it 2001 or 2002??
anyways, check this out.
"Excellence is my presence, never tense, never hesitant, leave a nikka bent real quick, real sick, raw nights, I perform like Mike. Anyone -- Tyson, Jordan, Jackson" - Notorious B.I.G. "Victory" 1997.
" I come over and fight, you a lame. You forgot over the night? Yo, your career's over like Mike. Anyone, Tyson, Jordan, Jackson" - Cam'ron "Hate Me Now (Nas diss)"
" I can't express how my stress devastates thoughts in the Bay of my brain, I stay up hella late. Tryna transform from the norm like Michael did.. Anyone, Jordan, Phelps, Michael Vick" - Turbo T. Double "Pizza" 2010.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP-YHyCOPP8[/ame]
"Psycho. I'm liable to go Michael, take your pick. Jackson, Tyson, Jordan, Game 6." - Jay-Z "nikkas in Paris" 2011.
"If you ever held a title belt, you would know how Michael felt.
Tyson, Jackson, Jordan, Michael Phelps." - Kanye "The One" 2012.
anyways, check this out.
"Excellence is my presence, never tense, never hesitant, leave a nikka bent real quick, real sick, raw nights, I perform like Mike. Anyone -- Tyson, Jordan, Jackson" - Notorious B.I.G. "Victory" 1997.
" I come over and fight, you a lame. You forgot over the night? Yo, your career's over like Mike. Anyone, Tyson, Jordan, Jackson" - Cam'ron "Hate Me Now (Nas diss)"
" I can't express how my stress devastates thoughts in the Bay of my brain, I stay up hella late. Tryna transform from the norm like Michael did.. Anyone, Jordan, Phelps, Michael Vick" - Turbo T. Double "Pizza" 2010.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP-YHyCOPP8[/ame]
"Psycho. I'm liable to go Michael, take your pick. Jackson, Tyson, Jordan, Game 6." - Jay-Z "nikkas in Paris" 2011.
"If you ever held a title belt, you would know how Michael felt.
Tyson, Jackson, Jordan, Michael Phelps." - Kanye "The One" 2012.
That second verse is in my top 5. Just flowed perfect. 
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DaveyDave
Superstar
he took Biggies rhymes and changed the words a bit that's all
Damn I love that song...one of my favs and a straight classic. BIG's verses were untouchable...
And some of y'all gotta be young, talkin Banks and PAPOOSE had better "Victory" editions than the maker?
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And some of y'all gotta be young, talkin Banks and PAPOOSE had better "Victory" editions than the maker?
Sent from my iPhone, wherever I'm at...hoe!
