Video about sampling in 1988

[Smile Gang]

son..this is what im talkin about...u think a nikka who samples is just a "sampler"...no..it's not "just" that...most hip hop producers have skills with keys...drums n all that...some of them use a real bass guitar for their basslines ON TOP of the sample...it takes chopping..filtering...alot of hip hop producers are good with percussion...ear for music...it IS composing...especially for producers who sample like Premo who chop the sample up in a million piece and place it back together the way they want...with either a midi keyboard..or an MPC...it's not as simple as being a "sampler"..the fact that ur saying that shows u don't get it..and it's cool for us to agree to disagree..I just have to correct u when ur sayin shyt that isnt true...ALOT of really good hip hop producers are good with instruments as well...like how u was criticizing Timbaland and just labeling him as "good with drums" or whatever u said...thats completely WRONG cause Timbaland can play the boards...puts obsure sounds in his music...etc etc...to makes his beats sound the way they do...and he pioneered a whole new sound in hip hop and RnB...dude deserves alot of credit...it takes skill to make something old completely new...

Now see, I know this though. I am aware that a lot of these guys who sample etc. are also proficient with a variety of instruments. I'm not saying they aren't. In the Timbaland thread I was just saying it was disheartening to see that such a large percentage of his catalog was actually built on other people's work. I'm not saying he's talentless as a producer. Just like Barry Bonds really DID hit those home runs. But there's an asterisk when the primary parts in the melody are simply paste jobs. I also understand there's more to production than composing the initial 4/8/16 bar loop. There's arrangement, vocal arrangement, changes in the beat and on and on. But my opinion (which isn't going to change) is that sampling is inauthentic music production. I'm not asking anyone to share that opinion. Lance Armstrong could have probably won some of the races he was doped up on without the dope. Maybe Timbaland could have made hits without sampling. But the fact is once there's a sample to me, it's tainted. It doesn't have to be tainted in everyone's mind. But it's tainted in my mind. Because since that post I've been thinking hmm, did Tim ever really make a hit record on his own? I just wish more people in hip-hop would look at sampling the same way we look at Rick Ross for being a C.O. because I look at it like I mean "samplers" get your money I ain't mad atcha by any stretch of the imagination. But I think it's bizarre to regard sampling as a pure element of hip-hop when at its core its intellectual property theft on some "how many Biggie rhymes going come out your fat lips" shyt. How many James Brown beats going come out these dudes fat lips?

 

[Smile Gang]

Don't compare food to sampling. Don't compare juicing to sampling.

I bet you some of your favorite songs, are sampled and you don't even know it. Some producers actually play music, play bass, play guitar, play drums,

play a trumpet...then they take that...chop it up(sample) what they played and loop shyt and make it a song.

You're right some of my favorite songs are probably using samples and I don't know it. The same way some chick somewhere in the world right now is rocking a CZ right now thinking it's a diamond. And if she found out it was CZ she would be disappointed the same way I would be disappointed if I found out the song was sampled.

And obviously, I'm not talking about instances where producers chop up their own work product. What would be the foul there? I'm talking about instances where they flat out take some one else's work product.

 

[Tetris v2.0]

The concept of "sampling" goes beyond just LOOPS. Are you discrediting the entire process? Or just samples that are "recognizable"?

What about using 5 or more samples in a way where they are now uncompletely unrecognizable, to make an entirely new piece of music?

What if you play a few notes, and then sample YOURSELF? which was one of the main reasons why samplers existed, for live shows back in the 80s...

Also, look at HIP-HOP and its roots and origins. Did Premier or Pete Rock have the resources to make music like Quincy Jones? Because of the grassroots origins of hip-hop from poverty and sampling vinyl, the music was subsequently soulful, jazzy and cinematic at the same time.

There is SO MUCH shytty classical music and "original" music, that I REFUSE to automatically give credit to an instrumentalist because they can "twang" or "thrash" or some shyt.

Dont be an ignorant retard and judge the music BASED ON ITS OWN MERITS. Compare Mozart to other composers, not the RZA. Compare beat-makers to other beat-makers, and judge them on their CRAFT and their ability to make interesting music within their own field.

fukk I hate people like you

 

[spliz]

The concept of "sampling" goes beyond just LOOPS. Are you discrediting the entire process? Or just samples that are "recognizable"?

What about using 5 or more samples in a way where they are now uncompletely unrecognizable, to make an entirely new piece of music?

What if you play a few notes, and then sample YOURSELF? which was one of the main reasons why samplers existed, for live shows back in the 80s...

Also, look at HIP-HOP and its roots and origins. Did Premier or Pete Rock have the resources to make music like Quincy Jones? Because of the grassroots origins of hip-hop from poverty and sampling vinyl, the music was subsequently soulful, jazzy and cinematic at the same time.

There is SO MUCH shytty classical music and "original" music, that I REFUSE to automatically give credit to an instrumentalist because they can "twang" or "thrash" or some shyt.

Dont be an ignorant retard and judge the music BASED ON ITS OWN MERITS. Compare Mozart to other composers, not the RZA. Compare beat-makers to other beat-makers, and judge them on their CRAFT and their ability to make interesting music within their own field.

fukk I hate people like you

THANK YOU!!...+rep...

 

[Smile Gang]

The concept of "sampling" goes beyond just LOOPS. Are you discrediting the entire process? Or just samples that are "recognizable"?

What about using 5 or more samples in a way where they are now uncompletely unrecognizable, to make an entirely new piece of music?

What if you play a few notes, and then sample YOURSELF? which was one of the main reasons why samplers existed, for live shows back in the 80s...

Also, look at HIP-HOP and its roots and origins. Did Premier or Pete Rock have the resources to make music like Quincy Jones? Because of the grassroots origins of hip-hop from poverty and sampling vinyl, the music was subsequently soulful, jazzy and cinematic at the same time.

There is SO MUCH shytty classical music and "original" music, that I REFUSE to automatically give credit to an instrumentalist because they can "twang" or "thrash" or some shyt.

Dont be an ignorant retard and judge the music BASED ON ITS OWN MERITS. Compare Mozart to other composers, not the RZA. Compare beat-makers to other beat-makers, and judge them on their CRAFT and their ability to make interesting music within their own field.

fukk I hate people like you

No1Curr

Sampling a kick you like cool.

Taking a portion of a previous work and using it as the primary basis of your derivative work, I can't respect that. Watch that Timbo video. I'm cool with finding a snare somewhere. But the primary melodic parts of some of his biggest songs weren't his. To me I can't respect that. That's some old "meet the protagonist of my brand new cartoon his name's Melvin Mouse" type shyt.

 

[Tetris v2.0]

No1Curr

Sampling a kick you like cool.

Taking a portion of a previous work and using it as the primary basis of your derivative work, I can't respect that. Watch that Timbo video. I'm cool with finding a snare somewhere. But the primary melodic parts of some of his biggest songs weren't his. To me I can't respect that. That's some old "meet the protagonist of my brand new cartoon his name's Melvin Mouse" type shyt.

A LOT of people curr, actually

Do you also discredit films adapted from novels on some "fukk Jurassic Park the movie" type of shyt? Because let us be reality, that is a "sample" as well

Is Dancehall just derivative garbage to you? Or do you respect it as a genre rooted in traditions

Look up some famous chord progressions, and see how often theyve been re-used, probably more often than a James Brown break. Hell the entire Doo-Wop genre used like 4-5 different ones, but they were played by MUSICIANS ooooh!

If you take that approach to art, you will shoot off your feet before you even load your gun...

 

[Smile Gang]

A LOT of people curr, actually

Do you also discredit films adapted from novels on some "fukk Jurassic Park the movie" type of shyt? Because let us be reality, that is a "sample" as well

Is Dancehall just derivative garbage to you? Or do you respect it as a genre rooted in traditions

Look up some famous chord progressions, and see how often theyve been re-used, probably more often than a James Brown break. Hell the entire Doo-Wop genre used like 4-5 different ones, but they were played by MUSICIANS ooooh!

See again you're missing the point.

Taking a book and making it a movie is not equivalent to taking a song and making it a song.

Making "Jurassic Park" the movie with Michael Chrichton's name on it is not like sampling.

Sampling a loop and adding some drums and baby crying sounds is like watching Jurassic Park, cutting up scenes from Jurassic Park, adding a few more dinosaur roars and re-packaging it as a new movie called "Triassic Park."

 

[Tetris v2.0]

See again you're missing the point.

Taking a book and making it a movie is not equivalent to taking a song and making it a song.

Making "Jurassic Park" the movie with Michael Chrichton's name on it is not like sampling.

Sampling a loop and adding some drums and baby crying sounds is like watching Jurassic Park, cutting up scenes from Jurassic Park, adding a few more dinosaur roars and re-packaging it as a new movie called "Triassic Park."

I LOLd, but honestly, whos to say that Triassic Park (which could actually be genius if properly executed, cause its all in the CRAFT) is automatically worse than the latest Orville Redenbacher-backed Jennifer Aniston flick?

You have a very narrow view of what sampling is dude. How is crafting an entire album around 30-40 to 100+ samples and making it a cohesive statement, automatically less creative than the typical guitar+bass+drums+vocals cliche?

Adapting a script, and even writing a script from scratch, is based on a notion of SAMPLING. Take pieces of little things and creating something new and distinct. Of course, there are lazy beatmakers who add nothing but a kick and a snare, but youre discrediting ALL of the people who go beyond that and make something personal.

 

[Reverend Jesse Jackson]

No1Curr

Sampling a kick you like cool.

Taking a portion of a previous work and using it as the primary basis of your derivative work, I can't respect that. Watch that Timbo video. I'm cool with finding a snare somewhere. But the primary melodic parts of some of his biggest songs weren't his. To me I can't respect that. That's some old "meet the protagonist of my brand new cartoon his name's Melvin Mouse" type shyt.

I guess you can't respect Soul, Rock, and R&B then. Even country.

 

[Smile Gang]

I LOLd, but honestly, whos to say that Triassic Park (which could actually be genius if properly executed, cause its all in the CRAFT) is automatically worse than the latest Orville Redenbacher-backed Jennifer Aniston flick?

I'm not saying it's worse as in less pleasing. Some sampled songs might be more sonically pleasing than songs without samples. That's fine and good.

A pimped out Sentra might be a nice ride. But the problem is when a sampler is trying to pass off himself as a Bugatti manufacturer when in reality he's pimping out Sentras. I'm not saying there's no talent in putting black lights on the undercarriage of an existing car and throwing in fish tanks and spoilers and shyt. But let's not act like it's equivalent to actually building a car.

With the Timbaland example. Do I like the finished product of "More Than A Woman?" absolutely. Am I disappointed to find out the song was essentially built on someone else's work? Yes, I am. Because all this time I've been giving Tim the credit for it.

Triassic park can be a good movie, but credit needs to go to Michael Crighton. Don't have me sitting here thinking the guy who chopped up selected scenes from Jurassic park and added baby sound effects is the genius behind the work.

 

[Smile Gang]

I guess you can't respect Soul, Rock, and R&B then. Even country.

I enjoy all genres of music for the most part. Like I said, nothing wrong with being influenced. All artists have influences. Being influenced by something and recording it and re-using it in your own recording are two different things.

If I had to give a speech tomorrow I might sit down and listen to MLK, Churchill, and Obama. But, I wouldn't get in front of the class and pop in a CD of the "I Have a Dream" speech with a few baby crying sound effects that I added and expect the teacher to give me a good grade on "my" speech.

 

[Tetris v2.0]

With the Timbaland example. Do I like the finished product of "More Than A Woman?" absolutely. Am I disappointed to find out the song was essentially built on someone else's work? Yes, I am. Because all this time I've been giving Tim the credit for it.

Im SO glad you said this. You liked the Aaliyah version more. Ok, so whos the genius then? Its not Timb cause he sampled. Could it be Aaliyah, or maybe the songwriter? Is it the producer of the original record, or is it all of the studio musicians that contributed? Is it the original songwriter even? Where is THE TALENT!!! I NEED TO KNOW!

Youre so quick to label and judge, even when it goes against your own taste?! Truly a shame

 

[Smile Gang]

Im SO glad you said this. You liked the Aaliyah version more. Ok, so whos the genius then? Its not Timb cause he sampled. Could it be Aaliyah, or maybe the songwriter? Is it the producer of the original record, or is it all of the studio musicians that contributed? Is it the original songwriter even? Where is THE TALENT!!! I NEED TO KNOW!

Youre so quick to label and judge, even when it goes against your own taste?! Truly a shame

I'm not saying there's no talent involved on behalf of all of the contributing parties. Clearly they did something involving talent and craft in the creation of the final project. But it's like my girl making me a bomb ass pizza and then I find out she just bought it at Papa Johns and added mushrooms on top and threw it in the oven for 10 minutes.

When I found out that Big Pimpin wasn't really Tim???? Aww man.



Watching that video was like finding out there's no Santa Clause cause I really held dude in high regard.

 

[Reverend Jesse Jackson]

I enjoy all genres of music for the most part. Like I said, nothing wrong with being influenced. All artists have influences. Being influenced by something and recording it and re-using it in your own recording are two different things.

If I had to give a speech tomorrow I might sit down and listen to MLK, Churchill, and Obama. But, I wouldn't get in front of the class and pop in a CD of the "I Have a Dream" speech with a few baby crying sound effects that I added and expect the teacher to give me a good grade on "my" speech.

Influenced? People stole and re-used records TONS MORE back in the day. Look at Motown's catalog (Hundreds of versions of the same song); Beatles and Elvis; Lyrics and Melodies were taken; I don't see their artistry questioned, just the rap producers.

"Sampling" (re-using melodies and lyrics) IS Music; Been going on since the beginning.

 

[nineteeneightysix]

People not playing their own music is one of the more valid criticisms of hip-hop being a lesser-quality genre of music. It blows me that people act like it's "cool" to use somebody else's shyt.

Sampling is an art form all on its own...

To me sampling is similar to customizing your car...If I buy a BMW and I look at, and think to myself, "this car isn't funky"...

I can invest my time and money, and transform that BMW into something that I think is funky...

I am not claiming that I am the engineer who came up with the technology that made the BMW possible...

All I am is a designer who conceptualized a whole new look for that stock BMW, and made it more appealing to a whole different demographic of people...