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[the cac mamba]

....We got a multi millionaire been filthy rich for two decades 40 year old nikka, and a 37 year old millionaire on a song with another 30 year old millionaire talkin about "young nikka move that dope" .....

gotta say, damn when u put it like that

 

[Axum Ezana]

music is not the fault of kids behavior. its the parent's/enviorment.

don't see nikkas complaining about all that death metal/ demonic shyt....

rap is just like tv...its entertainment. if you don't want your kids listening/watching it...dont let them.

that shyt myth was created by the gov to take down real gangsta rap....

 

[PhonZhi]

Lemme ask you something...

When do you think rap music became "destructive"?

When it became more and more commercial and the promotion & glamorization of drug use, black on black violence, promiscuity and gang & prison life became blatantly targeted towards the youth

 

[mortuus est]

don't see nikkas complaining about all that death metal/ demonic shyt....

lol thats cause white people complain about that shyt

 

[Axum Ezana]

lol thats cause white people complain about that shyt

but is it all over the media? seems like hip hop is the main scapegoat when it comes to negative music......

 

[Taadow]

When it became more and more commercial and the promotion & glamorization of drug use, black on black violence, promiscuity and gang & prison life became blatantly targeted towards the youth

So pretty much from the beginning, then? lol

 

[mortuus est]

but is it all over the media? seems like hip hop is the main scapegoat when it comes to negative music......

rap is more popular now, im sure there was a time tho

 

[kermit da hustla]

People don't express themselves in the same way. Nas and Cormega aren't the standard

There's no black community anymore and that's not rap or hip-hop's fault.

these new rappers aren't expressing shyt, tho. that's the point. it's all "kill, sell, kill, fukk bytch, etc." there's no thought. no depth. no authenticity. it's just

white people love it, but they don't have to live amid the byproduct of this poison. the blacks in the hood, the ones who lack education and parental guidance, eat it up and begin acting in accordance with the they're being fed.

and just like i said: there are no leaders to hold these rappers accountable. farrakahn is close, but he's been maligned by the white press, so he isn't taken seriously by many blacks.

 

[kermit da hustla]

Nah, this is what happens when you got street dudes who try to make rap into a hustle. Instead of having talented and creative artists who love Hip Hop and make all kinds of different music that isn't always about killing or selling dope. So only the criminal element of the community got the biggest voice. The Clipse were no different. The most classic albums are gangster/street albums. It's not like KRS ONE wasn't speaking about that shyt way back then.

there's absolutely no relation between what krs one was saying on his classic albums and what a fukking illiterate crackhead like young thug or any other new school rapper is spitting.

 

[Versa]

What (No) Malice said at the end was the realest part.. For the inner-city black community Hip Hop has always been an escape, a reflection and art form based on OUR LIVES, that unfortunately involves and unravels the bigger plot of our own SELF DESTRUCTION.. While the biggest consumer, white folks, sit back, party and have no responsibility to it other than to enjoy it and make money off it.

Big ups. I had to break this this down to my white and latino friends a few weeks ago. they don't understand the difference in how the music is received by blacks and non-blacks.

 

[PhonZhi]

So pretty much from the beginning, then? lol

Yes. I call rap "devils music". Notice how when anyone raps it automatically has to be about negative shyt. If a random white boy started freestyle rapping more than likely he would start spitting About the guns he bust and drugs he's sold. Trey Songz, Chris Brown, Tyrese lover boy R&B cats rap it's cussing and being "hard". We are the only group of ppl that glorifies being from the hood. Do white ppl glorify trailer parks and make songs about Meth that's played on mainstream radio? But what's really sad is that the rap culture is synonymous with all blacks now. Especially the black male. Rap makes me sick now and I wish more of us could see the truth like myself and @kermit da hustla @Emperor_ReinScarf

 

[jerzboy]

Yes. I call rap "devils music". Notice how when anyone raps it automatically has to be about negative shyt. If a random white boy started freestyle rapping more than likely he would start spitting About the guns he bust and drugs he's sold. Trey Songz, Chris Brown, Tyrese lover boy R&B cats rap it's cussing and being "hard". We are the only group of ppl that glorifies being from the hood. Do white ppl glorify trailer parks and make songs about Meth that's played on mainstream radio? But what's really sad is that the rap culture is synonymous with all blacks now. Especially the black male. Rap makes me sick now and I wish more of us could see the truth like myself and @kermit da hustla @Emperor_ReinScarf

For the bolded, they actually do (not to the extreme, but yes)... The only thing is that it's not portrayed in a negative manner. A big aspect of country music is being content/happy with what you have. It's like a way of recognizing you may have less than others, but you are fine/set in your ways... Almost "glass half full"... Hip hop on the other hand is the opposite, "glass half empty", we praise being from the hood, but being able to afford new jordans, benzes, Tom Ford, etc.... It's a complete mind fukk honestly. Whereas country music, they will be fine with their Ford and love that everyone has the same outlook, in rap everyone it's the opposite...

Urban music used to have a similar theme to a lot of what country music has, but shyt changed............... Truth be told, urban music can learn a lot from country music, from a numbers perspective, look at sales figures, lol

 

[Axum Ezana]

Yes. I call rap "devils music". Notice how when anyone raps it automatically has to be about negative shyt. If a random white boy started freestyle rapping more than likely he would start spitting About the guns he bust and drugs he's sold. Trey Songz, Chris Brown, Tyrese lover boy R&B cats rap it's cussing and being "hard". We are the only group of ppl that glorifies being from the hood. Do white ppl glorify trailer parks and make songs about Meth that's played on mainstream radio? But what's really sad is that the rap culture is synonymous with all blacks now. Especially the black male. Rap makes me sick now and I wish more of us could see the truth like myself and @kermit da hustla @Emperor_ReinScarf

its fukking entertainment. if I see a man jump off a building on tv...and land on his feet...then I try it...who fault is that?


no one thinks brown or songz is hard...they might have a better flow/style to make the music sound better but no one is co signing these nikkas as "hard", but blacks do know they might be able to relate a bit because they're black in amerikkka. half these thread be saying they gay anyways....so naw.

yes white people talk about living in the backwoods country all the time in country music. they all express how they love it....and we know what goes on in the country....so in a way they are cosigning the behavior. also you didn't see billyray cyrus making fool out of himself with that terrible remix of achybreakyheart...

don't always think blacks got to do what whites do....that's a white washed mentality. everything black is wrong and every white is right....when in reality both cultures/races have major flaws.

 

[PhonZhi]

its fukking entertainment. if I see a man jump off a building on tv...and land on his feet...then I try it...who fault is that?


no one thinks brown or songz is hard...they might have a better flow/style to make the music sound better but no one is co signing these nikkas as "hard", but blacks do know they might be able to relate a bit because they're black in amerikkka. half these thread be saying they gay anyways....so naw.

yes white people talk about living in the backwoods country all the time in country music. they all express how they love it....and we know what goes on in the country....so in a way they are cosigning the behavior. also you didn't see billyray cyrus making fool out of himself with that terrible remix of achybreakyheart...

don't always think blacks got to do what whites do....that's a white washed mentality. everything black is wrong and every white is right....when in reality both cultures/races have major flaws.

No trailer park living,being in gangs and locked up is not promoted and glorified in the white community(or any other community) like it is ours. Only in the black community are you a sellout or c00n for leaving the hood. Yes, all cultures have these problems but only in the black community is it COOL to sell drugs, be locked up, etc

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

He said he was killing people, and that he has enough blood on his hands. No one said he needs to be sociologist to speak on what he believes. I said he's not qualified to make that analysis because he's not one. Also, it takes the attention off the greater problem. That's all I'll say to you because I know where this type of argument goes.



For one, I don't know if I was an especially strong-minded kid, but the people around me were (parents and older relatives). The strongest point you made, is the one I've always made. If you're going to blame anything on rap, it's that they have a lot of people who listen to them who for many other reasons besides rap are susceptible to taking their messages to heart and they don't acknowledge that. That's fine. I'm okay with saying that. But, the bigger point still stands. Hip Hop is far down the list of the reasons for why things are the way they are and I say that while thinking most rap is garbage right now. You're speculating, I'm speaking on data regarding human capital, inadequate healthcare, the prison industrial complex, racist zoning laws, lack of jobs, structural racism, acecss to weapons, etc. I can literally quantify everything I just stated. You cannot.

Think about what you're saying, you are admitting that white kids can go about their business despite the fact that absorb rap music as much as black kids. You are ADMITTING that there is an ingrained problem aside from the music. Now think about why white kids who are shown to be no less susceptible to media influences are not immersed in the more negative aspects of urban culture. It is because of the entire community and society around them and everything else that comes with it. What do you mean by the seeds have been sowed... The crime rate is down all over the country in comparison to the 80s and early 90s when it was at its peak. Most young kids can recite lyrics to songs better than they can their lessons, that sounds like something my parents used to say. I get it, the media has an outsized influenced on the youth....but all the high-achieving kids can quote those same lyrics too...you cannot seriously be sitting here that it makes more sense to be focusing on hip hop as why poor black kids get a poor education as opposed to resegregation, lack of quality teachers, lack of an educational foundation at a young age (we're cutting HeadStart programs), etc.

If you took care of all of the things that I mentioned in this post that have a quantifiable and tested impact on the lives of inner city black children, then you'd hardly have to worry about rap music guiding them anywhere. You're right people are impressionable, but if it wasn't rap (if it was rap) then a million other things would have led that person astray. You think Chief Keef wouldn't be Chief Keef if everyone rapped like Common on Be...come on man...you know better. You know better.

You're right...but you're not all the way right. I agree totally with the sentiment that hip-hop is way down the list on why things are the way they are. Structural factors are way more pertinent and that should go without saying. And I am sympathetic to the position that if you highlight hip-hop, or a broader cultural malaise among the black community as a causative factor for the state of black people, you could be inadvertently souring the pond of discourse (and ultimately, public policy) by giving credence to half ass "blame the victim" right-wing notions.

But if you look at things holistically, it is a bit of an ivory tower-ist fallacy to pretend that if the deleterious mentality and life decisions promoted in hip-hop that mirror real life situations are STRICTLY problems DIRECTLY born of low socioeconomic status/inner city ills. As someone who grew up middle class in a mostly black city (in the same regional locale as Malice, actually), and was pretty comfortable in social environments ranging from the projects to field parties with white folks, I can't sit here and act like criminality, anti-academic mentalities, general Idontgiveafukkism, etc. was confined to the realm of single mother-head impoverished homes in redlined food deserts with shytty schools. I would be lying because I've seen far too many middle class black males from decent homes fukk up and do stupid shyt for no good reason at all...drop out of school, sell drugs, home invasions, murder and get murdered. They are middle class white wannabe gangsters who do similar stuff, but it's significantly more prevalent amongst black people.

If you want to bring up sociology, sociologists aren't in some sort of monolithic agreement. a$$holes like Charles Murray are sociologists.

Orlando Patterson was at least somewhat right in his 2006 NYT piece when he said this:

So what are some of the cultural factors that explain the sorry state of young black men? They aren't always obvious. Sociological investigation has found, in fact, that one popular explanation — that black children who do well are derided by fellow blacks for "acting white" — turns out to be largely false, except for those attending a minority of mixed-race schools.

An anecdote helps explain why: Several years ago, one of my students went back to her high school to find out why it was that almost all the black girls graduated and went to college whereas nearly all the black boys either failed to graduate or did not go on to college. Distressingly, she found that all the black boys knew the consequences of not graduating and going on to college ("We're not stupid!" they told her indignantly).

SO why were they flunking out? Their candid answer was that what sociologists call the "cool-pose culture" of young black men was simply too gratifying to give up. For these young men, it was almost like a drug, hanging out on the street after school, shopping and dressing sharply, sexual conquests, party drugs, hip-hop music and culture, the fact that almost all the superstar athletes and a great many of the nation's best entertainers were black.

Not only was living this subculture immensely fulfilling, the boys said, it also brought them a great deal of respect from white youths. This also explains the otherwise puzzling finding by social psychologists that young black men and women tend to have the highest levels of self-esteem of all ethnic groups, and that their self-image is independent of how badly they were doing in school.

I call this the Dionysian trap for young black men. The important thing to note about the subculture that ensnares them is that it is not disconnected from the mainstream culture. To the contrary, it has powerful support from some of America's largest corporations. Hip-hop, professional basketball and homeboy fashions are as American as cherry pie. Young white Americans are very much into these things, but selectively; they know when it is time to turn off Fifty Cent and get out the SAT prep book.

And pretty much anybody who deals with at-risk black youth actually in communities, be it teachers, parents, probation officers, sports coaches, whoever are generally dim on hip-hop and think it makes their jobs more challenging, even if they're fans, or former fans themselves. You could look at the people doing actually hands-on work like dude who posted in this thread who said he used to be a teacher and say they all don't know what they're talking about because they're not sociologist, but I wouldn't be that dismissive.

The crime-correlation thing doesn't tell us much either way, other than hip-hop can't be the most important causative factor in crime, dropout, teen pregnancy rates, etc., but nobody with any sense thinks that anyway. But it doesn't prove that hip-hop isn't having a negative effect either because they dip in crime since the mid-90's could be attributed to the decline of the crack trade, revamped housing policies (mixed-income housing, tearing down public housing), innovations in policing/law enforcement like COMSTAT and cameras being everywhere, lead reduction, increased incarceration, higher abortion rates, more available birth control, and a lot of other factors, and it's still disproportionately high amongst black communities.

But we can agree that whatever effect hip-hop has, it falls way behind systemic racism. But Malice isn't wrong either. He is on to something when he talks about how hip-hop speaks in a way that permeates to the identity-core of (mostly vulnerable) black youth in a way that it doesn't white people. He just didn't frame it in a very academic, nuanced way. So I can't blame him at all for having a guilty conscience and feeling that he was contributing to the world negatively.