[VIDEO]Wilt and Kareem DESTROYING each other under the hoop! (s*ck ****)

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Wilt was great, without question. He rely too much on his athleticism at times and used to take plays off on defense unless it was a big game. Dwight bring great defense nightly like Russell did. That was one of the big things people used v. Wilt. He wasn't laterally that quick. Russell was extremely quick laterally as Dwight is like a rocket launcher laterally. That matters for defense as well.

Naw man, Wilt wasn't really all time defender. He was great but his thing was more stats. He didn't really anchor on defense like he did on offense and even on offense he didn't step up when he needed to at times. Wilt was me player who didn't value his teammates the way he should. His defensive BBIQ was off the charts as well. He always knew where everyone was suppose to be. He knew offense and defense. He was a true freak of a player, not just athlete.

Zo, not a chance. Zo had low defensive IQ, undersized, and tried to block every shot :huhldup: Not even close. I would rather Deke defensively over Zo. Dwight is criminally underrated but most of you guys don't understand Basketball that well when a player is not in an ideal situation and it's not your team. So now that he's in LA, I expect him to get his respect as well as vastly overrated and compared to Wilt and Hakeem. :huhldup: No diss to you mastermind, you know the game but I can't agree or come close to what you think of Dwight.

This reminds me of Randy Moss in Oakland getting traded to NE, I remember one dude telling me Randle El is better than Moss. :heh:
FAIL.

 
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dan seems to forget that NBA rules were far more laxed in 1968 than 2011 for big men. Ask Shaq. Ask Kareem. Ask Bill. If the NBA didn't change the rules, we would still have Mark Eaton's in the NBA.
 

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Wilt was great, without question. He rely too much on his athleticism at times
hold up, how can you say this and then prop up Dwight Howard who is all about his athleticism? :what:

He didn't really anchor on defense like he did on offense and even on offense he didn't step up when he needed to at times.
this is hogwash.

Zo, not a chance. Zo had low defensive IQ, undersized, and tried to block every shot :huhldup: Not even close. I would rather Deke defensively over Zo.
you get on Zo for trying to block every shot, but then rate Mutombo higher (which is fair) even though he was more fervent at blocking shots than Zo?

Dwight is criminally underrated but most of you guys don't understand Basketball that well when a player is not in an ideal situation and it's not your team. So now that he's in LA, I expect him to get his respect as well as vastly overrated and compared to Wilt and Hakeem. :huhldup: No diss to you mastermind, you know the game but I can't agree or come close to what you think of Dwight.
here is the thing with Dwight, he is an undersized center. He is really closer to 6'10" than he is 6'11" (I think he actually measured to be around 6'9" without shoes in 2004). He is limited and mechanical on offense, and has struggled against guys as big and as strong as him. And he has been a non-factor against taller players. There is no way he is better than David Robinson, who was smaller but faster and quicker and had a similar bouncer plus better coordination and post moves. He is not touching Shaq at all, and he aint seeing Zo or Ewing.

Its not a diss of Dwight at all, but its more about the era of centers most of us saw in the 90s versus what we see in Dwight today.

:comeon:

:ufdup:

You criminally underrate Dwight. Criminally.
you are criminally underrating Brad Daugherty


2003 Tim Duncan would have eaten Dwight's cookies.
 

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You posting youtube clips to defy points that mainly most experts of that time period who seen every game stated? :rudy: You got to be smarter than that. I just gave to props for a smart post now you say this non-sense and use a big game clip from youtube to cite it. :snoop:

:childplease:

Nobody who has ever watched games or reads recaps or studies the game from back then has ever stated what you asserted. Nobody. I challenge you to provide the evidence to back it up. Wilt not an all time defender? Took days off on defense?

Wilt was lauded for his defensive prowess in his era. Not criticized for it.

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hold up, how can you say this and then prop up Dwight Howard who is all about his athleticism? :what:


this is hogwash.


you get on Zo for trying to block every shot, but then rate Mutombo hire (which is fair) even though he was more fervent at blocking shots than Zo?


here is the thing with Dwight, he is an undersized center. He is really closer to 6'10" than he is 6'11" (I think he actually measured to be around 6'9" without shoes in 2004). He is limited and mechanical on offense, and has struggled against guys as big and as strong as him. And he has been a non-factor against taller players. There is no way he is better than David Robinson, who was smaller but faster and quicker and had a similar bouncer plus better coordination and post moves. He is not touching Shaq at all, and he aint seeing Zo or Ewing.

Its not a diss of Dwight at all, but its more about the era of centers most of us saw in the 90s versus what we see in Dwight today.


you are criminally underrating Brad Daugherty


2003 Tim Duncan would have eaten Dwight's cookies.
Dwight doesn't just rely on his athleticism on defense. He used his defensive BBIQ with his athletic ability, timing, and quickness.

Can't see what you called hogwash but I am certain I don't agree.

Deke was great at timing and defensive BBIQ. He just didn't have great athleticism or quickness but his timing and defensive BBIQ was elite. Zo rely on his athleticism too much. Far too much.

Dwight can make up for it with his speed, quickness, and athleticism in today's era and in that era, he is bigger than most bigs. Just because you say it, doesn't make it true. I don't see how Rob would be in the league of Dwight. I just don't. I watched Rob a lot. He was athletic as s**t. Can score like a mug. Weaker Nate Thurmond with more athleticism and less grit. Dwight is way more quicker, faster, and athletic than Robinson. Even Rob's former coaches as recently as this week said that. You can look for the article if you want. No one in the NBA as a big is as athletic as Dwight. No one in NBA history as a big man. Wilt has more size, strength, and vertically they are in the same league. I now know, you are trolling me. You don't know what you are talking about.

That's a total diss to Dwight Howard. Disrespectful a*s sh*t. Don't say it's not a total diss when it is.


I now what Brad Daugherty is and I know what Howard is. You are dead a** wrong. Like Frank Lampard better than CR7 wrong. Stupid wrong.
 

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Nobody who has ever watched games or reads recaps or studies the game from back then has ever stated what you asserted. Nobody. I challenge you to provide the evidence to back it up. Wilt not an all time defender? Took days off on defense?

Wilt was lauded for his defensive prowess in his era. Never criticized for it.

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:comeon:
You get more stupid by the post.

We all know he's a great defender. He isn't as great as Dwight or Russell.

:snoop:

There are only two all time defenders. Russell and Dwight. That's it. No one else. Just elite after that. Wilt in that mix.
 

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big ups to @dantheman9758 for blessing the coli with his footage of old school NBA legends
i love watching games from the bigman-centered era, shyt is truly :ahh:
i share your vids with my pops and my uncles and they are :ooh:

u seen my Gus Johnson vid yet? (the 60s player not the play by play) hes an eye opening talent from back then

 
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u seen my Gus Johnson vid yet? (the 60s player not the play by play) hes an eye opening talent from back then

HONEYCOMB: The Incredible Gus Johnson | (Rare NBA Highlights of the Lebron James of the 1960s) - YouTube

yeah the style of play for elite players back then was just sooo different from players today, even tho a lot of them had similar physical attributes to players from this era
I can't put my finger on it exactly, but it's like they had a cleaner game and used less unnecessary movements and only did what was needed to get the job done
what i'd give to see a dude like elgin baylor run wild on a team from today's era :ohlawd:
 

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yeah the style of play for elite players back then was just sooo different from players today, even tho a lot of them had similar physical attributes to players from this era
I can't put my finger on it exactly, but it's like they had a cleaner game and used less unnecessary movements and only did what was needed to get the job done
what i'd give to see a dude like elgin baylor run wild on a team from today's era :ohlawd:

Here is a cool story on Gus Johnson via Wiki

"The Nail"

While Johnson was at Idaho in 1962-63, he earned a reputation as a leaper of the highest order. On one evening at the "Corner Club", a tavern on north Main Street in Moscow, Johnson was challenged by its owner, Herm Goetz (1925–93),[19] to demonstrate his outstanding jumping ability to the assembled patrons. The "Corner Club" was a modest establishment with minimal furnishings, converted to a bar in 1948 from a small white stucco chapel with hardwood floors and substantial beams on its ceiling.[20][21] From a standing start near the front bar, Johnson leapt to touch a spot on a beam 11 ft 6 in (3.51 m) above the floor level. The spot on the beam was marked with a ceremonial nail by Goetz, who next proclaimed that anyone who could duplicate that leap could drink for free, something that he knew was highly improbable. A 40-inch (1 m) diameter circle was painted on the floor below that beam, and any potential duplicator of the leap had to have both feet on the floor, within this circle, to ensure a standing start. Twenty-three years elapsed, with a considerable number attempts to touch Gus Johnson's Nail, including some by the 6 ft 11 in (2.11 m) UCLA All-American Bill Walton during the summer of 1984. But not even Walton, then a pro at age 31, could touch that high up ("...too much pizza and beer tonight..").[22]

That was until late January 1986, when the team bus of College of Southern Idaho, a junior college in Twin Falls, stopped in Moscow, en route to a game against North Idaho College in Coeur d'Alene. Joey Johnson, the younger brother of the NBA star Dennis Johnson, was brought into the closed bar by his coaches for a try, before opening time. The 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) guard had already recorded a remarkable 48-inch (1.22 m) vertical leap during basketball practice.

Joey Johnson laced up his game shoes and touched "The Nail" on his first try, but this attempt was disqualified because he did not start with both feet inside the given circle. His next attempt came from a legal static start, but was slightly short. On his third try, Johnson leaped, grabbed, and bent the legendary nail, a landmark event in local sports history. Mr. Goetz next pulled "The Nail" out of its beam, and he pounded it back in, a half inch (1 cm) higher.[22][23][24]

A 1985 graduate of Banning High School in Los Angeles, Joey Johnson led CSI to the national junior college title in 1987 and also won the national JC title in the high jump twice. He transferred to Arizona State, where his vertical leap grew to 52 inches (1.32 m) and he was known as "Jumpin' Joey." He played for the Sun Devils during the 1987-88 season, and won an elevated slam dunk contest at 11 ft 7 in (3.53 m) in 1990, earning $50,000.[25] His son Nick currently plays for the University of Arizona.[26][27]

Following Gus Johnson's death in 1987, flowers were found hanging from The Nail.[28]

Due to road reconstruction on north Main Street (the widening and straightening of the couplet for US-95 north),[29] the entire original (west) portion of the Corner Club was demolished in January 1991.[30] Unfortunately, the condemned portion of the establishment included the original location of "The Nail." The back (east) addition, built in 1981 of cinder blocks, was left standing.[30][31][32] [33] The Corner Club, at the northeast corner of "A" and Main Streets, opened for business in July 1948 and had staved off its demolition for over a decade; it was targeted for removal for the traffic revision since the late 1970s.[20][33]

In 2005, the Corner Club was listed by Sports Illustrated as one of the best sports bars in the nation.[34][35]
 

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yeah the style of play for elite players back then was just sooo different from players today, even tho a lot of them had similar physical attributes to players from this era
I can't put my finger on it exactly, but it's like they had a cleaner game and used less unnecessary movements and only did what was needed to get the job done
what i'd give to see a dude like elgin baylor run wild on a team from today's era :ohlawd:

One reason might be that there's no acting (flopping) -and the ball handlers generally dribbled less (and passed more). When Mindy Rudolph was the boss of the refs in the 60's / early 70's he made sure flops were ignored - it amazes me that he can recognize the flops in the vid here that look subtle by modern standards - but todays refs are helpless out there to determine what is or isn't a flop:

 
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Truuuu, I feel u....BUT, ALOT of their comp was small,undersize walk ons.....Now everybody is a "superstar"......I KNOW a lot of players are scrubs skillwise, but now we got centers windmilling and shyt..The center is smaller now but they play like guards now. I just dont think them bulldozers are really seeing the horses from today.BUT.....I am the wrong one to convert because I argue with my 41 year old uncle about old school NBA vs new school 10 times a week lol It'smy fav topic

You're retarded.
 

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One reason might be that there's no acting (flopping) -and the ball handlers generally dribbled less. When Mindy Rudolph was the boss of the refs in the 60's / early 70's he made sure flops were ignored - it amazes me that he can recognize the flops in the vid here that look subtle by modern standards - but todays refs are helpless out there to determine what is or isn't a flop:

Red Auerbach was anti-flopping decades ago !! - YouTube
and here I was thinking Europeans started flopping. :ohhh:


:comeon:



60s and 70s players were a lot more smoother, it may be because of the players not dribbling too much. I agree with that completely, they just looked more fluid dribbling and shooting.
 
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