Vlad and Math Hoffa double down on hating FBA. Microphone Check movie wasn’t accurate to them.

[Ish Gibor]

The Bronx isn't a vacuum my guy

Back in the 70s how many Black people from the Bronx had parents/grandparents or were themself born in the South. Cut it out

nikkas talking bout New Yawk as this cultural melting pot while discredting its Black Southern diaspora like you didn't have a country bumpkin from North Carolina and his cousins running the dope game in THE CITY back in the 70s


You'll always conveniently leave info like that out cause it don't fit your little New York is a melting pot so everyone created hip hop narrative to shoehorn in that Jamaican lie......

Why was nobody saying anything when Boogie Down Production made this as a respond to MC Shan?


Yo what's up Blastmaster KRS One, this jam is kicking
Word, yo what up D-Nice?
(Yo what's up Scott La Rock?)
Yo man we chilling just funky fresh jam
I want to tell you a little something about us
We're the Boogie Down Productions crew
And due to the fact that no-one else out there knew what time it was
We have to tell you a little story about where we we come from
South Bronx, the South South Bronx
Many people tell me this style is terrific
It is kinda different but let's get specific
KRS-One specialize in music
I'll only use this type of style when I choose it
Party people in the place to be, KRS-One attack
Ya got dropped off MCA cause the rhymes you wrote was wack
So you think that hip-hop had its start out in Queensbridge
If you pop that junk up in the Bronx you might not live
Cause you're in
South Bronx, the South South Bronx
I came with Scott La Rock to express one thing
I am a teacher and others are kings
If that's the title they earn, well it's well deserved, but
Without a crown, see, I still burn
You settle for a pebble not a stone like a rebel
KRS-One is the holder of a boulder, money folder
You want a fresh style let me show ya
Now way back in the days when hip-hop began
With Coke LaRock, Kool Herc, and then Bam
Beat boys ran to the latest jam
But when it got shot up they went home and said "Damn
There's got to be a better way to hear our music every day
B-boys getting blown away but coming outside anyway"
They tried again outside in Cedar Park
Power from a street light made the place dark
But yo, they didn't care, they turned it out
I know a few understand what I'm talking about
Remember Bronx River, rolling thick
With Kool DJ Red Alert and Chuck Chillout on the mix
When Afrika Islam was rocking the jams
And on the other side of town was a kid named Flash
Patterson and Millbrook projects
Casanova all over, ya couldn't stop it
The Nine Lives Crew, the Cypress Boys
The real Rock Steady taking out these toys
As odd as it looked, as wild as it seems
I didn't hear a peep from a place called Queens
It was seventy-six to 1980
The dreads in Brooklyn was crazy
You couldn't bring out your set with no hip-hop
Because the pistols would go
So why don't you wise up, show all the people in the place that you are wack
Instead of tryna take out LL, you need to take your homeboys off the crack
Cause if you don't, well, then their nerves will become shot
And that would leave the job up to my own Scott La Rock
And he's from
South Bronx, the South South Bronx
The human TR-808, D-Nice
The poet, the Blastmaster KRS-ONE
The Grand Incredible DJ Scott La Rock
Boogie Down Productions
Fresh for '86, you suckers

 

[Astroslik]

been documented any Old school Dancehall cat will tell you that Dancehall actually way before it was Dancehall was playing R&B records.

Bob Marley listed Fats Domino as an influence and did a cover of an Impressions song.

Yet it’s not common knowledge. The average person believes reggae was started in Jamaica and only influenced and derived from Jamaicans.

 

[Plankton]

Only people in their 60s- 70s can speak on the origins of hip hop with any accuracy

And that's the thing. Math already pointed out a while back what I been saying for years. 1) You have too many people from that era who say different contradicting things. So finding the actual truth is reduced to finding common denominators between the stories, 2) A good portion of Black people didn't even fukk with Hip Hop in it's origin. Cholly Rock pointed this out in his 2015 rant when elaborating on the Founding Fathers documentary. Cholly Rock pointed out that Hip Hop was shunned and looked down on by many during the disco era but once it became more popular, a lot of the ones who didn't like it at first jumped on the wagon and would later claim to be a part of it's origin when they weren't. I timestamped it.

 

[Astroslik]

This conversation is not about reggae, but about Hip Hop.

Reggae was created in Jamaica, but influenced by R&B (rhythm and bless) from Americas mainland.

Who gives a fukk? The overarching theme of this topic is about certain groups getting credited for a genre of music.

 

[Ish Gibor]

The Bronx isn't a vacuum my guy

Back in the 70s how many Black people from the Bronx had parents/grandparents or were themself born in the South. Cut it out

nikkas talking bout New Yawk as this cultural melting pot while discredting its Black Southern diaspora like you didn't have a country bumpkin from North Carolina and his cousins running the dope game in THE CITY back in the 70s


You'll always conveniently leave info like that out cause it don't fit your little New York is a melting pot so everyone created hip hop narrative to shoehorn in that Jamaican lie......

Or how about this? Where was the diss record to refute this?

Ultra Magnetic MC’s (Kool Keith) - Bust the Facts (1991)



A yes yes y'all, and you don't stop

You're listening to the sounds of the best MC in the world, Kool Keith

I got a flyer in my hand, Bambaataa with Cold Crush

The place is packed, with Johnny Wa and Rayvon

Lovely ladies smelling sweet with a lot of Avon

Jazzy Jay by my side, Charlie Chase behind me

Flash and Theodore, super cuts sublime me

"Catch a Groove" is the rhythm, spinning back and forth

From the East and the Valley, swinging back up North

Towards the South Bronx, to Cedar Park and Webster

The speakers are pumping, power bass is thumping

With the Ultra mega amp, keeping pep up jumping

From side to side, the double meters have peaked

They had some good MC's, a lot of them they was weak

They had no style with no metaphor, no voice to speak

Melle Mel had the best rhymes, ranking with Caz

Kool Moe tried to get down, but I made him sit down

With that metaphor quickness, you bite and you bit this

Stop and go turn, see the flame and go burn

To ashes to ashes, dust to dust

Seven years later toy you still crusty crust

Your old rhymes are rust, very dirty and dusty

And under your arms you're kicking power and musty

Get out of my way, and let the rhythm path roll

Let me run up the charts, freak a rhyme turn gold

While you're listening, I throw a buzz in your ear

Bust the facts!

Go swing a partner around, dosey-dosey

Like musical chairs and ring around the rosie

The party you pay see, Kool Herc with Jay Cee

The Herculoids battle, The Disco Twins

Funky rhymes with breakbeats, the DJ spins

For the L Brothers, stepping right in the scene

Mean Gene was maxing, Rockin Rob went to work

While the tables would turn, the old needles used to jerk

With the belt drive, Technics and B-1's

With the orange light shining, the red on D-1's

Direct drive and Nova, I'm chilling with G.L.O.B.E

Mr. Biggs and Pow-Wow, Monk and Superman

Pulling out that Olde E, that funky funky 40 ounce

Ikey C from Cosmic, the bass bottom bounce

Red Alert in the booth, the T-Connection to mix

Silly rabbit.. you know my style has tricks

To go on, to the next line, to the break of dawn

While I move up step, to the early early morn

With a hip-hop drink and some rhyme popcorn

Never smoking or sniffing or ever joking or riffing

Because it's time to plex more, and rhyme fantastic

Dota-Rock and Whipper Whip, neither rapper was plastic

Back in the days, you had to be so sarcastic

To stretch out a rhyme, and make it double elastic

You learn new jack, step back and be wack

You know what time it is boy, and every mic I smoke

Bust the facts!

Later on at the Boys Club, while time excel

I got a name for your brain that surely rings a bell

Patti Duke had the nice hands, swift with Billy Boy

Playing James Brown records, you stupid you silly boy

Bongo Rocking, hard where the rhythm go

You fake and pass, Busy Bee give and go

To the AJ Skratch, a funky beat that matched

With a two-second break, that was hard to catch

DST was mixing, slicing with his elbows

Freaking the wheels, looping rhymes, here we go

To the master faster, speed up and go faster

Turn my JVC to mega power and blast a

Mario tape, yes The Disco King

Where the beats had the funky drums, no new jack swing

Happy rappers with polka dots, were bound to get stuck

You had the Zulus the Nine Crew, you're pushing your luck

The Casanovas was maxing all scheming to duck

You had The Black Spades, plus The Savage Skulls

Gangbanging was over, neither crews exist

They got a job and a wife, a pretty woman to kiss

So on the rhymes kept rolling, straight up into disco

Eddie Cheeba with Sweet G, and back up to Cisco

Afrika Islam, with the Great Love Squids

Spinning high-top beats, can you check it, you dig

Kool Keith out smoking, my lyrics are hot

Bust the facts!

 

[Ish Gibor]

Who gives a fukk? The overarching theme of this topic is about certain groups getting credited for a genre of music.

It’s commonly known the Black Americans created Hip Hop culture.

This weird analogy of “everybody did it” is only of recent times, but what Busta and Joe said is laughable at best and simply not true.

All cultural elements lead to Black American history and culture.

 

[Astroslik]

Lmao just gonna drop this here. The Smith Brothers and the soul Brothers based out of Brooklyn influenced kool herc and he got the sound from them. He even paid homage to them.




My grandfather lived in Brooklyn, moved from North Carolina and was in his 20s during this era, he even told me that hip-hop music start was started by Black American and expanded outwards. Admittedly Herc was one of the early pioneer DJs that pushed the sound forward. But his entire influence stemmed from black American jazz as well. Herc even admitted that’s all his parents listen to growing up.

 

[$cam-U-Well_Jack$on]

Don't care. Unimportant. One star.

 

[Ish Gibor]

Who gives a fukk? The overarching theme of this topic is about certain groups getting credited for a genre of music.

Or even further back?

How about this one?

The Home of Hip Hop · D.ST (1985)



This is a revolution sure shot

[D.ST.]
Can you remember the days when Kool Herc played
With the following of bands?
'Cause if you don’t, well then you won't (that's right)
Real hip hop my man
The Bronx, New York was the place and home-
Base where Herc’s tables spun
Yes, there were DJ's in all the other boroughs
But like Herc there were none
You see, the Bronx is the home of hip hop
We don't care what anybody says
It's been avoided and exploited
But it will never be taken away
From the Bronx, the home of hip hop
You don't have to believe it's true
And if you don't agree, don't listen to me
Just look what it’s done to you
Now dance! Sucker!

The Bronx, the home of hip hop
And yes y’all
The Bronx, the home of hip hop
And you say
The Bronx, the home of hip hop
That's right
Real hip hop my man

[Infinity]
DJ
Master of the mix
Creates an illusion
With hip hop tricks
With the know how
To be unique
Searching for records with bongo beats
Stacking up speakers
In the park
Settin’ up the system
Before it gets dark
DJ's
Just payin' their dues
Made hip hop flyers to spread the news
That we rock in the park
When the sun shines
Then rocked indoors
In the wintertime
Lee, Cortefiel
And sneakers
Shades on our head
So we could spot freakers
Hip hop
From the Bronx New York
Where we say “yes y'all” before we talk
At one time
Other boroughs
Were not even rockin’
The Bronx was the known spot for hip hoppin'
All other towns
Came from miles around
Just to see the boogie down Bronx throw down
By the bus, the train, and O.J
It was a must to see the DJ's play
(Scratching)

That's right
Real hip hop my man

[D.ST.]
Now as time went by there was no reason why
For hip hop not to elevate
Then a great puzzle was solved
When the poets revolved
And we began to innovate
Rap, the key word (that's right!) you heard
Originally spoagraphics
Rappers rappin' to the funky fresh beat
Using hip hop tactics (like)
“Do it to the left”, “do it to the right”
And “if it feels funky then do it all night”
Rappers rappin' with the greatest of ease
To entertain the guys and the ladies
Staying up late at night to write rhymes
Contemplating on rocking the next time
Thinking of gimmicks day after day
To make the crowd do anything they say
Somebody say “ho!” (“ho!”)
Say “oh yeah!” (“oh yeah!”)

Listen, the Bronx is the home of hip hop
We don't care what anybody says
It's been avoided and exploited
But it will never be taken away
From the Bronx, the home of hip hop
You don't have to believe it's true
And if you don't agree, don't listen to me
Just look what it's done to you
Now dance!
Sucker!

The Bronx, the home of hip hop
And yes y'all
The Bronx, the home of hip hop
And you say
The Bronx, the home of hip hop
That's right
Real hip hop my man

What we gonna do right here is go back
Way back, back into time
Where the only people that existed was
B-Boys
And B-Girls

Yes yes y'all, to the beat ya'll
Let's rock y'all and don't stop
Keep on an' rock the house
Keep, keep on, an' rock the house
To the beat y'all, rock, rock ya'll
An' let's rock y'all and don't stop
Young ladies, rock the house
To the young ladies, rock the house

The home of hip hop
And yes ya'll
And you say
One time
For my mellow
Kool Herc
And the Herculoids

[D.ST.]
Just think, 1975
One whole decade has gone by
Of talented people performing for fun
To B-beat music is how it begun
From the start it's been an art
Of heart throb music that played a part
In this modern day and fast paced style
That all the people think is somewhat wild
But the average listener will never know
Modern music changes the status-quo
And like there was a spot for pop and rock
There'll always be a spot for hip hop
People despise it like it's terror
Today and tomorrow is the hip hop era
New Jack's trying to monopolize
Deceiving the public's eyes with lies
About they're the ones who started the show
Ask them about the old school they don't know
Big shots claim they're the founders of this
Promoting our talent in their business
Since we're really not in their interest
They're the one who's getting rich
From something we've done for our enjoyment
Corrupted into petty cash for employment
Once again trying to take what's ours
But not pushing us as far to sit amongst stars
That's alright, there's no sorrow
'Cause I know and you know there's still tomorrow
And like Infinity it goes on
'Cause the Bronx is the place hip hop was born

The Bronx is the home of hip hop
We don't care what anybody says
It's been avoided and exploited
But it will never be taken away
From the Bronx, the home of hip hop
You don't have to believe it's true
And if you don't agree, don't listen to me
Just look what it's done to you
Now dance!
Sucker!

The Bronx, the home of hip hop
And yes y'all
The Bronx, the home of hip hop
And you say
The Bronx, the home of hip hop
That's right
Real hip hop my man

 

[Devilinurear]

Lmao just gonna drop this here. The Smith Brothers and the soul Brothers based out of Brooklyn influenced kool herc and he got the sound from them. He even paid homage to them.




My grandfather lived in Brooklyn, moved from North Carolina and was in his 20s during this era, he even told me that hip-hop music start was started by Black American and expanded outwards. Admittedly Herc was one of the early pioneer DJs that pushed the sound forward. But his entire influence stemmed from black American jazz as well. Herc even admitted that’s all his parents listen to growing up.

How old are you???

 

[Ish Gibor]

Lmao just gonna drop this here. The Smith Brothers and the soul Brothers based out of Brooklyn influenced kool herc and he got the sound from them. He even paid homage to them.




My grandfather lived in Brooklyn, moved from North Carolina and was in his 20s during this era, he even told me that hip-hop music start was started by Black American and expanded outwards. Admittedly Herc was one of the early pioneer DJs that pushed the sound forward. But his entire influence stemmed from black American jazz as well. Herc even admitted that’s all his parents listen to growing up.

Of course Herc was influenced as well. Logically, but the fact is that at his gigs the Black Spades requested certain songs to be played.

This is what the 1st generation Black Spades are saying, not me.

 

[Astroslik]

It’s commonly known the Black Americans created Hip Hop culture.

This weird analogy of “everybody did it” is only of recent times, but what Busta and Joe said is laughable at best and simply not true.

All cultural elements lead to Black American history and culture.

Explain that to @Plankton comes into every thread like this and post nothing but falsehoods about how Jamaicans created hip-hop. He’s clearly a Jamaican descent, considering he’s so upset how black Americans have even influenced and helped create his own countries dominant genre on Reggae. For some reason, it makes him sick to his stomach that black Americans created the genre of music that he’s such a fan of.

But then again he might be white @CHICAGO several posters that called that out, but I’m gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he’s Jamaican. A white boy wouldn’t ride so hard for Jamaicans like this unless he just really hated black Americans. Two things can be true at the same time black Americans created hip-hop and also Herc was a pioneer and one of the early DJs, who helped kick it off in the Bronx. But for some reason, this guy just can’t understand this. He’s one of those either or type of guys.

 

[Plankton]

Explain that to @Plankton comes into every thread like this and post nothing but falsehoods about how Jamaicans created hip-hop. He’s clearly a Jamaican descent, considering he’s so upset how black Americans have even influenced and helped create his own countries dominant genre on Reggae. For some reason, it makes him sick to his stomach that black Americans created the genre of music that he’s such a fan of.

The Founding Fathers documentary, which I already posted in this thread, speaks on Flowers and DJ Mario who are Black Americans not Jamacian. You just lied and made up some nonsense on my name.




Look at the names on the cover liar. I pointed out that the Jamaican King DJ Charles was also in the mix, which he was which confirms that it wasn't just Black Americans in the origin of Hip Hop. That's not me saying Jamaicans created it liar, that's me saying that yes, Jamacia was also in the mix during the origin. His name is right there on the cover. Don't lie on me and put words in my mouth.


If you don't like that fact, then go take it up with the ones who put the documentary together. Go call them liars. I'm just repeating what was in the documentary and it seems as if you have an issue with me pointing out that the myths you have accepted are wrong. But that's your problem not mine.




And I'm not Jamaican or West Indian. Stop it with the made up lies on my name.

 

[Ish Gibor]

Explain that to @Plankton comes into every thread like this and post nothing but falsehoods about how Jamaicans created hip-hop.

It’s pure stupidity and ignorance. I dislike it.

He’s clearly a Jamaican descent, considering he’s so upset how black Americans have even influenced and helped create his own countries dominant genre on Reggae. For some reason, it makes him sick to his stomach that black Americans created the genre of music that he’s such a fan of.

But then again he might be white @CHICAGO several posters that called that out, but I’m gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he’s Jamaican. A white boy wouldn’t ride so hard for Jamaicans like this unless he just really hated black Americans. Two things can be true at the same time black Americans created hip-hop and also Herc was a pioneer and one of the early DJs, who helped kick it off in the Bronx. But for some reason, this guy just can’t understand this. He’s one of those either or type of guys.

This about me, I was in the music industry at the time and met quite a few people. I am on certain pictures (if they still have them).

The confusion probably comes from the time where patios was integrated in Hip Hop, this was mainly during the early 90s.

Run DMC was the first group to incorporate reggae on a rap album. After that a few others incorporated that as well like the Fat Boys, KRS One (BDP), Just Ice.

In 1979 or 1980 not sure the date a reggae label published a single with rap songs on both sides. But this was after The Sugar Hill Gang and logically after The Fat Band with King Tim the III.

The Fact that the Fat Back Band was a funk band, and former R&B blues band tells a lot. And before that they were jazz artists.

 

[Bunchy Carter]

Vlad and Math Hoffa will fit right in with the FBA haters on TheColi