Vox Media Fires Hundreds of Freelance Writers, Blaming California's 'Gig Economy' Law

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

true but thats a lot of paperwork and in Cali its around 1000 a year for a corporation

You can form an LLC for $149 + tax.
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And it costs nothing to get an EIN. You just apply at the IRS website.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Seems like they should make more ad supported content

 

[theworldismine13]

You can form an LLC for $149 + tax.
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And it costs nothing to get an EIN. You just apply at the IRS website.

it looks like that 149 is just for the kit, but you still have the pay the state filing fees

in Cali its called the franchise fee and its 800 dollars

but i agree, people need to form their corps just off of GP

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

it looks like that 149 is just for the kit, but you still have the pay the state filing fees

in Cali its called the franchise fee and its 800 dollars

but i agree, people need to form their corps just off of GP

But it’s tax deductible. And it’s really $66 a month if you spread it out over 12 months.

 

[Mook]

So it seems like a bunch of people lost their shytty side gig that didn't have a prayer of supporting them, and in return more people are going to get actual real jobs?

If there was only 20-30 jobs worth of work there, then those 200 people who were fired must have been making peanuts, not to mention lacking health insurance and other benefits. A lot of them may well have been doing fine in their day jobs and were just submitting sports articles for play money.

You're arguing with a guy who didnt know how to make money so bad he had to become a mercenary to survive

 

[jilla82]

you're asking the wrong question, we had this same discussion when talking about the minimum wage going up in San Fran... and what would happen to the mom and pop pizza place.

I said its not hard at all. most people just look at things as they are and not as they should/could be. for the should/could be to happen, we will have to hurt first during the transition period. there is no way around that.

how things are right now. You have a pizza spot, that starts off selling 100 pizzas a day(fake number just roll with it), 100 pizzas means you need 2 workers to pull this off. and it will be tight. so tight that if one person gets sick, the owner has to come in and help out. so you really need like 2.5 workers. 3 to be safe. Now you are selling 150 pizzas a day. so you need like 3.5 workers to be good. but no, you hire 5 workers so you the owner wont have to work either. and you were use to paying these people under a living wage in San Fran, like $8.00 per hour. Well the minimum is going up to 15 per hour. So now you're crying foul and saying you have to lay people off. Well the truth is, you never could afford to hire 5 people at a LIVING wage to begin with. its called a markets correction.

so the price of the pizza goes up...and the average customer goes to a chain because the chain has economies of scale on their side.

Now we have inflation...your dollar does less than it did last year.
That $15 you now make means less.

The person making $8 should be focusing on increasing their skills so they can move on from that pizza place.

 

[DEAD7]

Further raising the barriers to entry and protecting the major corps in the name of better worker compensation...You hate to see it.

 

[Pressure]

Further raising the barriers to entry and protecting the major corps in the name of better worker compensation...You hate to see it.

Another company can fill this void

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

so the price of the pizza goes up...and the average customer goes to a chain because the chain has economies of scale on their side.

Now we have inflation...your dollar does less than it did last year.
That $15 you now make means less.

The person making $8 should be focusing on increasing their skills so they can move on from that pizza place.

Well then no one gets a raise so all goods and services stay the exact same price indefinitely.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

200 freelancers replaced by 20 actual employees (split between full and part time it seems). One tenth. The fact that it took a state law for this American Company to reduce labor (personnel numbers) by 90% in this area, something that the business machine masturbates to, highlights the exploitative nature of the gig "economy."

Just imagine how much those 200 freelancers were paid to make them more cost effective than 20 full /part time employees.

America is brazy yo. You have people with full time jobs also doing what was once full time work as odd side jobs making less than teenagers with part time jobs. People cobbling together four or five gig jobs just to make ends meet. You hate to see it.

Exactly. Most of those freelancers weren't even coming close to making ends meet with this. This wasn't even 1/10th of an income, this was coffee money for housewives and college kids.

Right? I wouldn’t want a law to take opportunities from people. A lot of writers cut their teeth doing freelance stuff. That should still be an option.

It is still an option. They can still freelance up to 35 pieces a year for each outlet that they work for. That's a LOT of freelance work. If they really are freelancers doing different gigs, and not just psuedoemployees getting slave wages, they'll be fine.

But most of these were just sports bloggers doing a daily low-quality blog with no research for a couple bucks each. They can still blog if they want to, those sort of "opportunities" are virtually never going to translate into anything bigger and if they are good enough to be bigger they can just as easily build the audience from their own site.

they eliminated 200 freelance jobs to create 20 part time jobs...last time i checked, a part time job wasn't rainbows and butterflies. some things are really meant to be a hustle, writing for a blog is one of them. no clue how much vox paid, but i used to write for a small sports blog and get $60-100 an article, that's a nice chunk of change for college student/recent grad. a lot of people just want to make some side cash from something they enjoy doing, but CA has basically eliminated their ability to do so

At least 12 of the jobs will be full-time jobs, another 10-20 will be part-time.

Those writers were NOT getting $60-100 an article, the one I posted earlier said she was getting a $125 stipend for up to 40 hours of work a month.

that's not the type of work they need for a sports blog - SB nation - or a real estate/architecture focused blog like Curbed. they get more money from traffic, the more content you have indexing in search, the better. this isn't the Atlantic full of think pieces or WAPO investigative journalism. they need a high volume of articles that are timely, easy to read, cover multiple teams/markets and need this daily. you need a network of freelancers for blog sites such as that. you're trying to turn their business into something it isnt

You're straight up saying that they're getting paid pennies to flood the internet with the same shyt content you can find on personal blogs, only with the SBNation name attached.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Exactly. Most of those freelancers weren't even coming close to making ends meet with this. This wasn't even 1/10th of an income, this was coffee money for housewives and college kids.




It is still an option. They can still freelance up to 35 pieces a year for each outlet that they work for. That's a LOT of freelance work. If they really are freelancers doing different gigs, and not just psuedoemployees getting slave wages, they'll be fine.

But most of these were just sports bloggers doing a daily low-quality blog with no research for a couple bucks each. They can still blog if they want to, those sort of "opportunities" are virtually never going to translate into anything bigger and if they are good enough to be bigger they can just as easily build the audience from their own site.




At least 12 of the jobs will be full-time jobs, another 10-20 will be part-time.

Those writers were NOT getting $60-100 an article, the one I posted earlier said she was getting a $125 stipend for up to 40 hours of work a month.




You're straight up saying that they're getting paid pennies to flood the internet with the same shyt content you can find on personal blogs, only with the SBNation name attached.

People think they are entitled to cheap entertainment/services to the point they have convinced themselves there are those happily working for peanuts to provide it.

 

[NZA]

companies like vox are why californians of the homeless-professional class live in their SUVs and work 10 hours a day on starbucks wifi

 

[DEAD7]

People think they are entitled to cheap entertainment/services to the point they have convinced themselves there are those happily working for peanuts to provide it.

This goes back to what I was saying in the billionaire thread.
Just Tax and redistribute the profits better.
Nothing more is needed.

Remove these regulations, abolish the min wage, let capitalism do what it does best, and redistribute the wealth.
Keep the market as open as possible.

 

[Serious]

But that’s not happening. Vox media doesn’t pay that well (58k for senior writers) and it’s California offices are in Los Angeles & San Francisco (According to its site) so we know that money isn’t going far in those places. I don’t see the way this helps.

Why vox. why


They're one of my favorite sources of news.

 

[Serious]

y0 @DEAD7 won't the free market just respond with competitors, to Vox's fragile business model. The superior product will win out.


That invisible hand at work again

Just from another state