Vox Media Fires Hundreds of Freelance Writers, Blaming California's 'Gig Economy' Law

[Professor Emeritus]

No, im complaining that the state shouldn't further constrict the way individuals can contract their labor(free of coercion/force) and especially shouldn't constrict it in a way that favors large corps who can afford to pay benefits and overtime.
It can dig us further into an employers market where wages can remain low.

Internet here sucks and I've written this comment and then lost it three times now.

Short version: Higher wages favor small business, not large business, because large business relies on volume and considers low-wage employees interchangeable (thus paying as little as the market will allow and shrugging off high turnover) while small business relies on personal connections and superior service and thus gains a much better relative advantage from highly-skilled and more stable low-level labor.

Small business owners generally agree, which is interesting because otherwise they would demographically skew (as being more male, more white, and with more capital than the average American) much more towards Republican positions.

National Poll: Small Business Owners Favor Raising Federal Minimum Wage | Business For a Fair Minimum Wage

https://www.asbcouncil.org/sites/ma..._bfmw_poll_report_final_140709.pdf?1546455424

Most Small Businesses Support Minimum Wage Hikes, Survey Says

 

[rapbeats]

so the price of the pizza goes up...and the average customer goes to a chain because the chain has economies of scale on their side.

Now we have inflation...your dollar does less than it did last year.
That $15 you now make means less.

The person making $8 should be focusing on increasing their skills so they can move on from that pizza place.

wrong. $8 was not a living wage period. you can't have jobs paying lower than a living wage. thats the point. stop trying to get slave-ish labor to do the job. stop thinking thats ok. yes a person in a pizza parlor should get better skills as they age up and start having a family. BUT lets not act like the pizza parlor wont need the same people in the same positions forever. so either these people stay or some leave and go on to make more money doing other things and no people come in. no matter what they cant pay a wage thats less than a living wage. period. get off of that mindset.

Let me explain to you how dumb, and shady that thinking is. i was in college and there were jobs where you could work for the school doing a ton of different things. these jobs paid us students minimum wage.I convinced this guy to give us like 75cents over the minimum.
check this out, there were these full time fully grown adult employees doing the same job we were doing but doing other things as well. they were making $15 to start, some were up to $19 at the time. So why was it that were only getting minimum when the "adults" were getting the real normal salary? there was no logical ethical reason. they were low balling us because we were students and 18, 19 yrs old. basically because they could. this idea that you can pay kids or young adults less than anyone else doing the same job is low key child slavery.or young adult slavery however you want to say it. lol. but that mentality comes from people thinking Kids work these types of jobs, so dont pay them like an adult. so when adults work those type of jobs they pay them like kids. when the premise is wrong to begin with.

IF flipping burgers or tossing pizzas in the sky can pay a business owner enough money to pay rent/mortgage and send his/her kids thru college why can't it pay the worker a living wage? doesnt make sense. unless you think some form of slave labor is cool. but this is all a reflection of what america was built on to begin with.

 

[jilla82]

wrong. $8 was not a living wage period. you can't have jobs paying lower than a living wage. thats the point. stop trying to get slave-ish labor to do the job. stop thinking thats ok. yes a person in a pizza parlor should get better skills as they age up and start having a family. BUT lets not act like the pizza parlor wont need the same people in the same positions forever. so either these people stay or some leave and go on to make more money doing other things and no people come in. no matter what they cant pay a wage thats less than a living wage. period. get off of that mindset.

Let me explain to you how dumb, and shady that thinking is. i was in college and there were jobs where you could work for the school doing a ton of different things. these jobs paid us students minimum wage.I convinced this guy to give us like 75cents over the minimum.
check this out, there were these full time fully grown adult employees doing the same job we were doing but doing other things as well. they were making $15 to start, some were up to $19 at the time. So why was it that were only getting minimum when the "adults" were getting the real normal salary? there was no logical ethical reason. they were low balling us because we were students and 18, 19 yrs old. basically because they could. this idea that you can pay kids or young adults less than anyone else doing the same job is low key child slavery.or young adult slavery however you want to say it. lol. but that mentality comes from people thinking Kids work these types of jobs, so dont pay them like an adult. so when adults work those type of jobs they pay them like kids. when the premise is wrong to begin with.

IF flipping burgers or tossing pizzas in the sky can pay a business owner enough money to pay rent/mortgage and send his/her kids thru college why can't it pay the worker a living wage? doesnt make sense. unless you think some form of slave labor is cool. but this is all a reflection of what america was built on to begin with.

bro its simple economics.
If it financially doesnt make sense to pay someone $15, either prices go up, the pizza parlor goes out of business, or they find a way to do it w/ less people.

Your example doesnt work because its a school...not a business.

The real question is wether or not the private sector is responsible for people that either have no ambition, or are on the slow side.

The average small business owner is barely making it...your last question shows your disconnect w/ the real world.

Start a business and hire a few people...
...you dont even have to hire people...just start your own business to get an idea of how things work out there.

 

[rapbeats]

bro its simple economics.
If it financially doesnt make sense to pay someone $15, either prices go up, the pizza parlor goes out of business, or they find a way to do it w/ less people.

Your example doesnt work because its a school...not a business.

The real question is wether or not the private sector is responsible for people that either have no ambition, or are on the slow side.

The average small business owner is barely making it...your last question shows your disconnect w/ the real world.

Start a business and hire a few people...
...you dont even have to hire people...just start your own business to get an idea of how things work out there.

you missed the point.

let me make it easier.

i have a business, in order for me to maintain my profit margins and supply the demand. I will have to have 3 people working at all times. 2 + 1 (me), or 3(non are me).

I can afford to pay 2 employees(not me) a living wage, but that would mean I have to work all the time as well. i dont want to do that. so i hire another person at a living wage. now i'm in the red. no more profits.

This means, i either need to figure out another way tighten up my lbusiness model or i never could afford to hire the 3rd person. whatever i thought of my profits. they were not enough to hire a 3rd person at a living wage. This is what has happened a quite a few places. its a true market correction if you ask me.

its similar to when starbucks had a coffee shop on every corner, and sometimes 2, one diagonal from the other. pure overkill. so they hired a bunch of people to work in both. not to supply the demand only, but to supply the demand and to kill any sort of other competitor that thought about coming thru taking some of their market share(cofee bean & tea leaf).

They realized, wait a second, we're bleeding money on these excess starbucks operations. less pair them back down. market correction. now i'm starting to see them pop up again really close to one another. hopefully thats due to an increased demand.


Do you know why the average small business owner is barely making it? because the never had the proper capital to start their business to begin with. you know why so many businesses fail within the first 5 years or so? because of that very reason. if you start off in the hole, how the hell are you going to get out? its like taking a payday loan pre obama regulation. where they could hit you up for all kinds of crazy percentages on the loan.

you borrow $250, because you're behind on rent. you didnt get a raise and you couldnt work OT. and you didnt win the lottery. after you pay them back the $250 you will be behind another $250 on the rent. ? how will you ever get ahead? you wont. UNLESS, in business, you have enough capital up front to float your business thru the ruff early patches until you have a steady profit stream coming in. Or if by luck you start making a serious profit right away. enough to float your own business until you become a stable business.

what i'm saying is this. most people are going into business for the wrong reasons. most people are not taking the time to study the business they are going into. therefore most people are just winging it with not enough cash to float their business until they figure out how to ACTUALLY run it properly. which is why a lot of them have hired too many people to pay a living wage to.