Klutch will guarantee 1st ballot
Wait, Draymond Green is not a 1st ballot HOF in people's eye's?
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The basketball HOF let's anyone in. It's shameless.
Whips-n-Chains
Chi
Might not be the most deserving but with his accolades (rings + medal) he'll be first ballot.
Basketball hof is easy af to get into compared to mlb and nfl
Basketball hof is easy af to get into compared to mlb and nfl
this is the ultimate forum killer because people want to always move goalposts and narratives so they can cry and lie
of course he's first ballot hall of fame
yall always talk about 1 dude on a team, and get excited that he loads the stat sheet.... which he obviously will when its only them shooting and doing it all
then wanna downplay or move goalposts when there's talent spread out on a team... but conveniently give certain teams a pass for doing the same shyt
yall try to discount the Bulls teams, The Heat team with Bosh, Draymond on Warriors, but then give props to Celtics with Pierce, Spurs with Manu... nikkas werent high on Zach Randolph as much as they should have been with Gasol, Conley, Mayo, Gay, Tony Allen
you arent gonna have these explosive stat sheets when you are sharing the ball with 3-4 other amazing players. You have to just play your role and do your job to win. Draymond and Warriors are a team that wins so he's made the right choice and held his part down. If circumstance and goal post moving mattered... you can argue against every case being wrong. Barry Sanders on Detroit is the perfect example. You arent a worse player just because of the team you are on. If you are supposedly hall of fame, you cant just be that when things are going good. If Lebron never leaves Cleveland he's still a top player of all time and first day ballot HOF. Same as if he was always on Miami, shared the responsibility and had half the stats... he would still be Lebron at the end of the day. Draymond is a huge part of the Warriors championships that dominated a decade, there's no changing that. Kawhi is always gonna be a vital piece for helping the Spurs win and then solidified himself when he won in Toronto no matter what. Winning matters most, but being great isnt conditional. Dame doesnt suddenly become HOF if he goes to Lakers... he will still be the same great player but with a better team that wins more. Look at Donovan Mitchell, he could have easily just went to a contender and done the same shyt he's doing now... and people would be buying his jersey and wearing his shoes. You cant judge "individual impact" on conditional matters. If a man won on top of that... then he's solidified regardless. Right now people laugh and shyt on Cp3 even though he's had an amazing career. If he won with Clippers, people would be saying he's one of the best PGs of all time. So you cant say CP3 is a failure when he should have been on Lakers 8 years prior anyway... he could have went to OKC and moved Russ to SG and won etc.
Put Steph on Knicks and he never wins, thats the same argument you have against Dray not being under Steph and Klay winningthings cant be conditional only one direction to fit your narrative. On a team that thrives on offense mostly, not having Dray would be super detrimental to their success in anchoring a real defense. If alot of players had that heart and IQ then he would be easily replaceable and he's not. He's simply a perfect fit to the organization. Imagine if the run and gun Suns actually had a defensive leader and not just Steve Nash high fiving everyone and Grant Hill and Raja Bell trying to guard Kobe. Draymond is a blessing to that style of play
Nobody and I mean absolutely nobody questions whether CP3 is one of the best PGs of all time. Nobody says "it aint about the stats
" with CP3.Show me where the Warriors won because of Draymond and it was obvious to everyone? They won because they had Steph and Klay,and finals mvP Iguodola. They won because they loaded up by begging KD to come save them from Lebron. Then they won because the man Draymond punched,who they miss right now played a role
When CP3 goes to teams and they start winning is there any question whos the catalyst? Was there any question about Manus contribution offensively?
If draymond is a hall of famer,what is Derek Fisher and Robert Horry
? Directly more responsible for their teams winning chips. And you can give Fisher the same "fiery" "heart of the team" accolades yall try to give Draymond. Draymonds more directly responsible for them losing a chip than he is them winning any. And no I am not saying that as proof he is important. Im saying he got suspended,and they didnt have an equally mediocre player to fill in and play his role. But if they did? The warriors would probably still have won. If Steph doesnt choke? they arguable still win
The same argument could be made the other way. If he's drafted to Orlando, we are not talking about the Warriors like we do today. I have no problem with him being in the HoF or even a first ballot selection
that's what some people don't understand
they look at numbers strictly, but the intangibles and x-factors are what gives the Warriors that key piece.
And aside from his short temper Draymond has a high basketball IQ
It's Steph's team, but the Warriors would not be a dynasty without him because of his impact on the team
He’s a hall of famer whether you like him or not. And I do not and I’m not happy about it
Womb Raider
sigh….*unzips pants*
HOF rabble rouser, that’s for sure
If Dennis is HOF, then Dray is.
Yes, the Basketball one is easy to get on the first ballot.
He's never an MVP level player and a jackass...but, he definitely deserves it.
My dawg CP3 will be without any rings.
Yes, the Basketball one is easy to get on the first ballot.
He's never an MVP level player and a jackass...but, he definitely deserves it.
My dawg CP3 will be without any rings.
Since when does intangibles and x factors get you into Hall Of Fames
Theres alot of NBA players whos teamates would describe them as the "heart and soul" of the team. Or guys who were smart and helped anchor defenses,who wouldnt be in the hall of fame. You are only trying to put Draymond in due to name recognition and Klutch propaganda. And due to the fact Warriors have won championships. But one due to Iguodolas defense,2 due to cheating with KD. And the final one largely due to Poole,who Draymond is responsible for no longer being on the team. If Draymond gets in Derrick Fisher and Robert Horry damn sure better get in. Draymonds resume aint better than either.
IsThatBrothaMouzone?
Veteran
HOF, sure.
First ballot????
To me, he's a Bill Laimbeer/Robert Horry/Dennis Rodman type. You need guys like this to win rings.
Draymond's issue is that he shouldn't be the leader on the team. Warriors would be so much better if Steph had MJ's personality. Rodman was wild but MJ would be like "shut yo crazy azz up and grab them rebounds nikka."
Role player being the mouthpiece is a problem. Not an issue a few years ago when they were clearly the best team but it's just awkward as fukk now.
First ballot????
To me, he's a Bill Laimbeer/Robert Horry/Dennis Rodman type. You need guys like this to win rings.
Draymond's issue is that he shouldn't be the leader on the team. Warriors would be so much better if Steph had MJ's personality. Rodman was wild but MJ would be like "shut yo crazy azz up and grab them rebounds nikka."
Role player being the mouthpiece is a problem. Not an issue a few years ago when they were clearly the best team but it's just awkward as fukk now.
The_Third_Man
Superstar
exactly
T.he I.nformant
1st Ballot HOF Teller
I don’t know how he can be denied at this point. He should get on his knees and pray everyday his wagon got hitched to the Steph Curry train. I like Dray but I don’t know if he’s in the same place if he plays his career elsewhere.
Only because the BBall of Fame has shyt standards. His equivalent in other sports, wont make it. You would never see a Rocky Blier or a Jay Novacek make the HOF for being high end role players on dynasties..hell, guys like Roger Craig and Bernie Williams, who were wayy better at their sport than Draymond, have not and likely will not, make the HOF. John Taylor.isnt making any HOF, neither is Julian Edelman or a Willie McGinest or a Tedy Bruschi. Bill Romanowski was a part of two back to back championship teams, he is not going into the HOF. Carl Banks is not going to the Pro Football HOF. Basketball's standards are far too low!!!