Wait so kawhi really the second best player in the nba

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He's 3rd. We see KD doing stuff outside of shooting that most didn't know he could do this yesr.
 

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Curry is a good defender. Why the fukk do people keep up this bullshyt narrative?

No PG in the league can regularly guard other PGs across the entire game.

Curry was taken out in the final minutes of the Christmas Day matchup versus the Cavs because he's such a defensive liability.

Curry is not a good defender.
 

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The four best are without question Durant, LeBron, Kawhi, and Steph. Everyone else is beneath them.

Durant is the best offensive player of the last 20 years and has become a great defender and rim protector. LeBron has the most versatile skill set and the highest BBIQ. Kawhi is ultra efficient offensively and the best wing defender of his generation. Steph is the best shooter to ever live and a great facilitator.

LeBron stopped being the clear cut best player in the world since Durant's MVP run 3 years ago. He's just called the undisputed best due to his body of work and the fact that he hasn't fallen off, but these guys have clearly AT LEAST somewhat closed the gap, and IMO have obviously surpassed him in various areas. I still cite him as the best out of respect for his resume and pulling off the upset last finals.

After those 4, it's Anthony Davis, James Harden and Russell Westbrook. After those 3 I think it's John Wall and Isaiah Thomas, though I like both of those guys' games more than Russ and Harden's.
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Taking note of ALL the posters who stated that Curry is a better player than Kawhi....

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A few stray comments

- Westbrook is arguably top 5 but definitely not better than the 4 players ahead of him, so that gap should be acknowledged for these discussions. The better question regarding Russ isn't whether he's better than LBJ/KD/Kawhi, but whether he's really better than Wall, AD and IT2.

- Curry being the best shooter to ever live, having top tier handles and being a great facilitator have nothing to do with the system he's in. Those are his own skills and are a primary factor for why the system even works to begin with.

- It's disturbing that a player who has won back to back MVP awards (one unanimous) and has led a team to a 73-9 record is still being called fraudulent/overrated. That shows a degree of stubbornest bordering on the ridiculous. It's really unfortunate that Draymond Green's dumbass couldn't avoid getting himself suspended, or we probably wouldn't even be having this discussion.

- Curry is not 1 dimensional...at all.

- Houston and GSW have better basketball teams than SAS, so I don't think it's fair to say that Kawhi needs to carry the Spurs past to those team to certify his elite credentials.
 

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A few stray comments

- Westbrook is arguably top 5 but definitely not better than the 4 players ahead of him, so that gap should be acknowledged for these discussions. The better question regarding Russ isn't whether he's better than LBJ/KD/Kawhi, but whether he's really better than Wall, AD and IT2.

- Curry being the best shooter to ever live, having top tier handles and being a great facilitator have nothing to do with the system he's in. Those are his own skills and are a primary factor for why the system even works to begin with.

- It's disturbing that a player who has won back to back MVP awards (one unanimous) and has led a team to a 73-9 record is still being called fraudulent/overrated. That shows a degree of stubbornest bordering on the ridiculous. It's really unfortunate that Draymond Green's dumbass couldn't avoid getting himself suspended, or we probably wouldn't even be having this discussion.

- Curry is not 1 dimensional...at all.

- Houston and GSW have better basketball teams than SAS, so I don't think it's fair to say that Kawhi needs to carry the Spurs past to those team to certify his elite credentials.

Since when was it decided that Houston has a better bball team than the Spurs?

This is revisionism
 

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If we're talking about the impact that they have on the game, I'd put Bron/KD/Steph in the same tier with Kawhi just a notch below them. The basis for this tier would be the positive effect these players have for the rest of the team when they're on the court.

If we're talking about best in terms of the overall player , Bron is still in his own tier ahead of everyone else. KD/Steph/Kawhi are in the same tier IMO. The basis for this tier is in how many ways they can beat their opponent, efficiency, style of play, and their impact on the game.
 
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