Still not sold on Leonard yet. I just don't see it. N alotta you are forcing it. Put Leonard on the bucks. They don't make the playoffs
Wait so kawhi really the second best player in the nba
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Alpha Male
Spare me your daps
bro do you not watch the games?
Shut up
Alpha Male
Spare me your daps
it's a legit question.
only someone that hasn't watched leonard in these playoffs would make a claim like the one you did, or maybe someone that just hated him irrationally. otherwise i don't know how you can say he isn't the real deal
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
I'm a big Kawhi fan, but I think he's still working his way up in terms of taking over games. But we've seen him do that this year more and more, including in the playoffs. The scary thing is that he might still be one or two years from his peak.
But I'm really surprised at how many people say Lebron isn't number one in the League. I'm a Bron-hater but I don't see anyone capable of doing what Lebron does. And who has been doing it for so long. When you factor in everything, Lebron is in a league of his own right now imo. I clown him for 2011 and 2014 but it is what it is. Kawhi is close in the sense that he's as complete as it gets. It's nuances then with KD and Steph who both do some stuff at a higher level than Kawhi, but Kawhi is more complete imo than both.
But I'm really surprised at how many people say Lebron isn't number one in the League. I'm a Bron-hater but I don't see anyone capable of doing what Lebron does. And who has been doing it for so long. When you factor in everything, Lebron is in a league of his own right now imo. I clown him for 2011 and 2014 but it is what it is. Kawhi is close in the sense that he's as complete as it gets. It's nuances then with KD and Steph who both do some stuff at a higher level than Kawhi, but Kawhi is more complete imo than both.
Uncle Juice
Pro
You're right. I thought Kawhi's eFG% these playoffs was higher than Bron's but they're basically the same.
the kid
Real Esquire, Not the Magazine
What he said. Steph is an amazing offensive player, but to ignore how teams attack him, or how Kerr hides him on the weakest offensive wing on the other team is disingenuous. Its not just that he is a mediocre defender, he is a bad defensive player. Tyron Lue drew up a play to win a championship to specifically attack Steph, and u guys still try to prop up Steph's defense? How Sway?
Harden is the same way. Last night the Spurs got to to an early lead because Harden could not stay in front of Danny Green of all people. People always act like there's only one side of the floor.
Gil Scott-Heroin
Veteran
First of all you do realize that Kyrie was hitting shots over Klay, Barnes, Iggy, Draymond and anyone else that got in his way during the back half of the Finals right? You claim Steph is a bad defender, but then you post a gif of him playing great defense, constesting Kyrie's shot, and Kyrie doing what he does best. And Kerr doesn't hide him on the weakest offensive wing - Curry is typically guarding his opposite throughout the game. It sounds like you didn't watch the rest of the playoffs either, you know when Curry not only held his own guarding Westbrook, but forced him into tough shots + turning the ball over -What he said. Steph is an amazing offensive player, but to ignore how teams attack him, or how Kerr hides him on the weakest offensive wing on the other team is disingenuous. Its not just that he is a mediocre defender, he is a bad defensive player. Tyron Lue drew up a play to win a championship to specifically attack Steph, and u guys still try to prop up Steph's defense? How Sway?
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Explain to me how Kerr hides him on the weakest offensive wing when he arguably had more reps guarding Westbrook than any other Warriors player during the WCF, not a meaningless regular season game but the playoffs.
Gil Scott-Heroin
Veteran
I really wish folk would stop using instances of Kyrie hitting shots over Curry as cause to say that he's a bad defender. Kyrie hits shots over everyone.
*sees Kyrie draining a 3-pter over Kawhi*
Kawhi's a bad defender.
*sees Kyrie draining a 3-pter over Kawhi*
Kawhi's a bad defender.
I really wish folk would stop using instances of Kyrie hitting shots over Curry as cause to say that he's a bad defender. Kyrie hits shots over everyone.
*sees Kyrie draining a 3-pter over Kawhi*
Kawhi's a bad defender.
Kyrie is a legend
the kid
Real Esquire, Not the Magazine
First of all you do realize that Kyrie was hitting shots over Klay, Barnes, Iggy, Draymond and anyone else that got in his way during the back half of the Finals right? You claim Steph is a bad defender, but then you post a gif of him playing great defense, constesting Kyrie's shot, and Kyrie doing what he does best. And Kerr doesn't hide him on the weakest offensive wing - Curry is typically guarding his opposite throughout the game. It sounds like you didn't watch the rest of the playoffs either, you know when Curry not only held his own guarding Westbrook, but forced him into tough shots + turning the ball over -
Explain to me how Kerr hides him on the weakest offensive wing when he arguably had more reps guarding Westbrook than any other Warriors player during the WCF, not a meaningless regular season game but the playoffs.
I really wish folk would stop using instances of Kyrie hitting shots over Curry as cause to say that he's a bad defender. Kyrie hits shots over everyone.
*sees Kyrie draining a 3-pter over Kawhi*
Kawhi's a bad defender.
Breh, dont be intentionally dense. Just because he matches up with Westbrook well doesn't mean he guards anybody else well. Even in the vid u posted of Kawhi, Tony Parker was guarding Kyrie and got picked so Kawhi switched onto him just before shooting. Kyrie didn't iso on Kawhi cause he aint that stupid. But since u like videos, Im just gonna drop these videos here. In Game 6 of the Finals last year, on the biggest stage in a possible closeout game.
IllmaticDelta
Veteran
lbj has a TS%
but that's only close because lebron sucked at the ft line and kwahi is great at it. When it comes to getting buckets,
it isn't even close
Lebron 55 Fg% vs 49 fg%
duckbutta
eienaar van mans
What exactly does this mean? Cause I am unaware of the part of a basketball game that is officially "take over a game" time?
Is it 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter?
4 minutes left in the 4th quarter?
Is it the 4th quarter at all?
As someone who watches virtually all spurs games I would go so far as to say that I can't imagine any player in the nba "taking over" more games than Kawhi Leonard did this year. Because the vast majority of spurs games this year have had some point in the 2nd or 3rd quarter where they are up by 6...and then on offense kawhi goes jumper, jumper, and 1, jumper...and on the defensive end he guards the other team best guy and he goes contested miss, contested miss, steal, contested miss, block, forced turnover...and then the spurs are up 14 and he goes to the bench and for the rest of the night the other team never cuts it any closer to 7...there was no crunch time work for kawhi to do because he put the team away before crunch time occurred...