WAS Ancient Egypt a PAWG Civilization

[Anhur]

Imagine evidence starting to show Somalis/Ethiopians/Eritreans built and designed the great pyramids.

Who’s the genius now

Behind our large foreheads is an even larger brain.

i would normally agree but there is plenty of evidence that there were hyksos dynasties (canaanite)
not including the Ptolemies and Persian Pharoahs as well

I agree, let's ignore the later dynasties (after the Nubian dynasty). Egypt was getting invaded by Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, etc.
The Hyksos (Canaanite immigrants) were invited by the last kings of the Middle Kingdom due to droughts in Canaan.
They were refugees that would later take advantage of the political weakness and disunity of northern Egypt leading to the 2nd intermediate period.
They were either enslaved or removed by the 18th Dynasty Pharaoh Ahmose. The Semites would still be in Egypt but they would still be a small minority during the New Kingdom. Brother @LuuqMaan has answered your question on the Quran.

Although there is a new idea proposed by an Islamic scholar that believes the Hyksos occupation of Egypt was mentioned in the Quran in this verse.
Pharaoh threatened, “How dare you believe in him before I give you permission? This must be a conspiracy you devised in the city to drive out its people, but soon you will see.[7:123]

He accused Moses of trying to make an alliance similar to how the different Canaanite tribes linked up and took over northern Egypt.

U GOT THE WRONG PERSON, MOST ANCIENT EGYPTIANS WERE BLACK AND/OR MIXED

THERE WERE STILL NON-BLACK EGYPTIANS BUT THEY WERE THE MINORITY

PLEASE KEEP MY NAME OUT YO MOUTH IF U JUST GONE FALSELY SLANDER ME BRODIE

ANCIENT EGYPTIANS GENERALLY LOOKED LIKE JOAKIM NOAH. PERIOD.

They look like him? That's why your name was called. Melanoma would take him if he was working shirtless on a temple in the blistering desert sun.

you think its a joke, but im putting you on game

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/holdup-i-though-eating-dogs-was-an-asian-thing.937047/page-6#post-47031251

I believe those statues are fake because Rahotep (on the right) is the brother of Khufu and son of Sneferu. Those two were clearly black men
and none of their statues or stella have any color. Almost all Old Kingdom statues have no color and are broken despite being made from Granite.
Magically, these two survived (color and all) looking like they were painted a hundred or so years ago (when they were found).
Egyptology is full of anti-blackness especially at that time so some forgeries were definitely made. Those two look nothing like the regular ancient Egyptians.

 

[Leasy]

Egyptians themselves considered The land of Punt to be their ancestral homeland. That's the east Africa region where coincidentally many of the people still carry the customs, traditions and appearances of Egyptians we see depicted in the paintings. Care to explain @Dafunkdoc_Unlimited ?

The customs are also in Central Africa Congo region and West Africa. If you use the real African names of the Pharoahs, you can see where their ancestral land was from.

 

[Leasy]

Queen Nerferti statue is also fake as well created in the early 1900s

 

[MMS]

I believe those statues are fake because Rahotep (on the right) is the brother of Khufu and son of Sneferu. Those two were clearly black men
and none of their statues or stella have any color. Almost all Old Kingdom statues have no color and are broken despite being made from Granite.
Magically, these two survived (color and all) looking like they were painted a hundred or so years ago (when they were found).
Egyptology is full of anti-blackness especially at that time so some forgeries were definitely made. Those two look nothing like the regular ancient Egyptians.

thats difficult to say

saying it is a forgery/fake is somewhat haphazard given the style they are carved in. Furthermore Egyptians (pre-greeks) were very deliberate in the nature in which things were presented in their temples

IE the 2D representations of deities are meant to be taken literally, and the 3D representations are almost always looking directly at the observer

The Statues of Rahotep and Nofret - ARCE

Date: Old Kingdom, Fourth Dynasty, Reign of King Snefru (ca. 2575- 25551 BCE) Provenance: Meidum, Mastaba tomb of Rahotep Material: Limestone…

arce.org

Discovered in 1871 by French archaeologist Albert Auguste Mariette, Prince Rahotep and his wife Nofret’s life-like painted limestone statues are considered among the most famous private statues from ancient Egypt. The statues were discovered in the mastaba tomb (a tomb in the form of a rectangular platform) of Rahotep, north of the pyramid of Snefru, in Meidum, dating to the reign of King Snefru of the Fourth Dynasty (c. 2575-2551 BC). They are currently housed in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. Rahotep (121cm) and Nofret’s (122 cm) figures are classic manifestations of the strict rules that governed the art of this period. Unlike Greek sculpture, that is carved to be viewed from all sides, these seated statues are sculpted to be seen from the front.

for an example of this consider "Shu"...i mentioned your name Anhur as a pun on the egyptian Anhur-Shu...that said..the "3D Shu"

looks nothing like the 2D version

Why did you walk away from religion/god?

looking around at the world & all it's unanswered prayers* prayers arent necessarily always good though :francis: if you look at it my way from my perspective, all the prayers around you are actively being answered :sas1: We are living in a world of illusion

www.thecoli.com

also the term "Hyksos" is an anglicization. The real term Heka Khasut translates to "magic peoples" IE people formed from heka (literal Yakubians)

Heka (god) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Sccit]

Behind our large foreheads is an even larger brain.


I agree, let's ignore the later dynasties (after the Nubian dynasty). Egypt was getting invaded by Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, etc.
The Hyksos (Canaanite immigrants) were invited by the last kings of the Middle Kingdom due to droughts in Canaan.
They were refugees that would later take advantage of the political weakness and disunity of northern Egypt leading to the 2nd intermediate period.
They were either enslaved or removed by the 18th Dynasty Pharaoh Ahmose. The Semites would still be in Egypt but they would still be a small minority during the New Kingdom. Brother @LuuqMaan has answered your question on the Quran.

Although there is a new idea proposed by an Islamic scholar that believes the Hyksos occupation of Egypt was mentioned in the Quran in this verse.
Pharaoh threatened, “How dare you believe in him before I give you permission? This must be a conspiracy you devised in the city to drive out its people, but soon you will see.[7:123]

He accused Moses of trying to make an alliance similar to how the different Canaanite tribes linked up and took over northern Egypt.

They look like him? That's why your name was called. Melanoma would take him if he was working shirtless on a temple in the blistering desert sun.


I believe those statues are fake because Rahotep (on the right) is the brother of Khufu and son of Sneferu. Those two were clearly black men
and none of their statues or stella have any color. Almost all Old Kingdom statues have no color and are broken despite being made from Granite.
Magically, these two survived (color and all) looking like they were painted a hundred or so years ago (when they were found).
Egyptology is full of anti-blackness especially at that time so some forgeries were definitely made. Those two look nothing like the regular ancient Egyptians.

PEOPLE ADAPT TO CLIMATE LOL

SO IF JOAKIM NOAH WAS IN ANCIENT EGYPT WORKIN SHIRTLESS FROM BIRTH HE WOULD BE CLOSER TO KOBE COLOR

 

[invalid]

Egypt was no doubt a mixed society. But it's origins, and especially those of the native pharaonic dynasties, are unmistakenly sub-saharan.

The best evidence for this is simply looking at the pharaonic genealogies which are well recorded and publicly available. Which is why I don't understand why there is controversy around this.

Ramesses II and his family (The 19th Dynasty Ramessids) were descendants of Nubians.

King Tut and his family (The 18th Dynasty Thutmosids) were descendants of Nubians.

The 17th Dynasty were of Nubian extraction (confirmed through DNA testing).

The Pre-dynastic and Old Kingdom Pharaohs were of Nubian origin (confirmed through DNA testing).

The native Egyptian royal families continued to intermarry with Nubia because that was their origins. To be sure, they intermarried with Canaan and the Hittites as well so there was an infusion of the Levant into the royal blood lines. But their origins were unmistakeably Nubian.

When I get some time, I'll actually post some of the genealogies. I posted a few in other threads on here already.

 

[Anhur]

thats difficult to say
saying it is a forgery/fake is somewhat haphazard given the style they are carved in. Furthermore Egyptians (pre-greeks) were very deliberate in the nature in which things were presented in their temples

That's a really cool website that you posted. That 3d image was unreal. But the reason I disagree with you on those forgeries is that we don't even have images of Sneferu (the father despite having 3 pyramids) and only 1 image of Khufu which is a really small statue.

This is Khufu (this statue is small)

His son

his other son

And his grandson

They all look black and all their busts are colorless despite being the most richest people in their empires.
That's why that super polished statue of Rahotep is suspect to me.

PEOPLE ADAPT TO CLIMATE LOL

SO IF JOAKIM NOAH WAS IN ANCIENT EGYPT WORKIN SHIRTLESS FROM BIRTH HE WOULD BE CLOSER TO KOBE COLOR

Come on now. You know Joakim's skin would peel off. I can't imagine putting him through that. But that Kobe comment was wild .

Egypt was no doubt a mixed society.

I agree with most of your comment except for this sentence. I believe Egypt was 90+% black until the late Middle Kingdom.
During the New Kingdom, I believe it was at least 80% black. After that it slowly declined.
Ancient Egypt was ethnically diverse though. It originated from the Green Sahara, Nile Valley and Horn of Africa.
According to Anthropological studies done on the area Khoisan, Pygmy, Cushytes, Bantu, Niger-Congo, and Nilotic people were all present in ancient Egypt.

 

[MrLogic]

Problem don't use religious sheep to understand anything historical accurate they can't even get past their own so everything in ancient history they will have to spin to fit there modern view of "biblical, Torah and Quran" because the modern ethnic group poster boys of those three faiths inherit hatred for what we call black man and women.



other words your dealing with Ishmael and Issac cos players

Ishmael (Arabs)
Issac (Hebrews)
(christian) manly European followers

Now lets look at actually ancient Egyptians we all know "race" is something Europeans came up with you can label anyone anything if you control the narrative.

according to folk lore Arabs suppose to come from Ishmael who's mother was an "Egyptian" and his Farther was Canaanite(Hebrew) ie Abram why I call Abram a canaanite because his God El/Yahweh was a canaanite God before King Josiah retcon everything scratched off EL and Asherha and just did Yahwehism

abram just a splinter group from canaanite people


ok back on topic If being technical

Egyptians are black because "black" as we see it in modern times didn't exist back then because it was just a label that Europeans used when they got in power. That means the Arabs came from a black women and whatever ancient Canaanites looked like (Abram) That's only if you


take their duck tales seriously (which is false for all three faiths) Egyptians are "black" that is fact though regardless of the duck tales they were put into


the issues is modern Arabs and modern Hebrews do take their duck tale seriously so a lot of bending truths and out right lying goes on because of the implications if Ancient Egyptians are considered black then what does that mean about....... (it's levels to this lie)


ancient historical facts don't care about their faiths if it happen it happen and record was left that it happened and we all know at least Ancient Egyptians the ones way before Greece muddy up the culture left their mark.


Egyptians they where the super power at one time they had control of both sides of the red sea even Canaan (during the so called exodus) So it's a catch 22 for them they have to deny what actually ancient Egyptians looked like but at the same time can't deny their cultural importance to either of their faiths but their own inherit racism keeps them from accepting the truth so what's the best thing for them to do is "LIE and HIDE the truth



so what do they do just say there not black( which we all know is just a label that Europeans came up with in the first place like i said before)

so it doesn't mean anything but we follow these classifications just to go with the flow of society today and stick with it all the way no goal post moving
which they do when it benefits them and the narrative.



Now lets go back and see what the implications of the folk lore if you take historical accurate representation of the Egyptians (google if you must)

Now ancient Egyptians are "black"

biblical/torah implications : Joseph could past as an Egyptian even his own brothers didn't recognize him so in modern times he would probably be considered....

a lot of Egyptains left with Israel during the exodus

lets go even further the "Apostle" Paul a Roman Solider thought Paul was an Egyptian not Greek by the way but an Egyptian so they had to look similar to Hebrews back then.... another implication


If you accept historically facts and go by the typical European standard what black(even though they will move the goal post)


if you take their faiths as historical truths then that implies what they don't want to be true......

but the funny thing about Truth its gonna burn their lies and actually prove if their ducktale is real then they are not the ones something they can't accept but will have to when the smoke clears.

because they own hatred for modern day black man and women they can't accept the truth about Ancient Egyptian it jsut implies way to much stuff in the context of things they believe to be religiously true.


it's levels to this thing

 

[Sccit]

That's a really cool website that you posted. That 3d image was unreal. But the reason I disagree with you on those forgeries is that we don't even have images of Sneferu (the father despite having 3 pyramids) and only 1 image of Khufu which is a really small statue.

This is Khufu (this statue is small)

His son

his other son

And his grandson

They all look black and all their busts are colorless despite being the most richest people in their empires.
That's why that super polished statue of Rahotep is suspect to me.

Come on now. You know Joakim's skin would peel off. I can't imagine putting him through that. But that Kobe comment was wild .


I agree with most of your comment except for this sentence. I believe Egypt was 90+% black until the late Middle Kingdom.
During the New Kingdom, I believe it was at least 80% black. After that it slowly declined.
Ancient Egypt was ethnically diverse though. It originated from the Green Sahara, Nile Valley and Horn of Africa.
According to Anthropological studies done on the area Khoisan, Pygmy, Cushytes, Bantu, Niger-Congo, and Nilotic people were all present in ancient Egypt.

SOUNDS LIKE U HAVE NO IDEA HOW ADAPTION WORKS


LOL

 

[The Fade]

ISnt Yuya mummy like 64% Black african and the rest "eurasian"? And then theres Ay the progenitor of the Ramsesses

and aint even Charles Darwin say that Akhenaten was a clear as day negro?

what do yall think of that Aperel guy being the Biblical Joseph?

 

[Ozymandeas]

It's sad. They obviously looked like Ethiopians and Sudanese thousands of years ago. All East Africans have that same lithe body type (not all obviously but, it's common) and you can see Egyptians were the same based on their artwork. But because they were so close to Asia and Europe they got bred out.

 

[MMS]

That's a really cool website that you posted. That 3d image was unreal. But the reason I disagree with you on those forgeries is that we don't even have images of Sneferu (the father despite having 3 pyramids) and only 1 image of Khufu which is a really small statue.

This is Khufu (this statue is small)

His son

his other son

And his grandson

They all look black and all their busts are colorless despite being the most richest people in their empires.
That's why that super polished statue of Rahotep is suspect to me.

is that any more strange than the Qurans claim about Ramesses body?

Those statues didnt have gold ornaments so they were untouched. Many pharaohs adorned their tombs with riches, that ultimately were pilfered throughout the years

outside of paint, they are just statues.

Also..Khufu having his statue small, was intentional imo (see the image i posted on the first page of Pepi Meryre)

the idea being is some Sun Tzu type thinking "Appear weak when you are strong"

the egyptian story ive posted many times (Workman and Peasant), the "Lord" of the land is Merutitensa (Beloved Disc of Perception - Meru- Aten-Sah) that smites every robber

The Eloquent Peasant

Ancient Egyptian Story About Eloquence

pages.ucsd.edu

the old Pharaoh who was supposedly the father of Sneferu was Huni known simply as the smiter...something that crossed my mind due to a few pharaohs of the middle kingdom, is that some pharoahs might have been intentionally made up.

 

[Samori Toure]

Egyptians themselves considered The land of Punt to be their ancestral homeland. That's the east Africa region where coincidentally many of the people still carry the customs, traditions and appearances of Egyptians we see depicted in the paintings. Care to explain @Dafunkdoc_Unlimited ?

They claimed to be from the Mountains of the Moons. That is Uganda. Their DNA also lines with Bantu men DNA.

 

[HarlemHottie]

End of the day my ancestors weren't from there so I'm not necessarily pressed to dikkeat ancient egyptian culture

West African and Central african history (you know where most of the african diaspora are actually from) > Egypt.

Haplogroup E comes from the east.

Haplogroup E-V38, also known as E1b1a-V38, is a human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. E-V38 is primarily distributed in sub-Saharan Africa. E-V38 has two basal branches, E-M329 and E-M2.[2][a]Haplogroup E-V38 - Wikipedia E-M329 is a subclade mostly found in East Africa.[2] E-M2 is the predominant subclade in West Africa, Central Africa, Southern Africa, and the region of African Great Lakes; it also occurs at moderate frequencies in some parts of North Africa, West Asia, and Southern Europe.

Origins[edit]​

The discovery of two SNPs (V38 and V100) by Trombetta et al. (2011) significantly redefined the E-V38 phylogenetic tree. This led the authors to suggest that E-V38 may have originated in East Africa. V38 joins the West African-affiliated E-M2 and the Northeast African-affiliated E-M329 with an earlier common ancestor who, like E-P2, may have also originated in East Africa.[2] The downstream SNP E-M180 may have originated in the humid south-central Saharan savanna/grassland of North Africa between 14,000 BP and 10,000 BP.[4][5][6][7] According to Wood et al. (2005) and Rosa et al. (2007), such population movements changed the pre-existing population Y chromosomal diversity in Central, Southern, and Southeastern Africa, replacing the previous haplogroup frequencies (haplogroups A and B-M60) in these areas with the now dominant E1b1a1 lineages. Traces of earlier inhabitants, however, can be observed today in these regions via the presence of the Y DNA haplogroups A1a, A1b, A2, A3, and B-M60 that are common in certain populations, such as the Mbuti and Khoisan.[8][9][10] Shriner et al. (2018) similarly suggests that haplogroup E1b1a-V38 migrated across the Green Sahara from east to west around 19,000 years ago, where E1b1a1-M2 may have subsequently originated in West Africa or Central Africa. Shriner et al. (2018) also traces this migration via sickle cell mutation, which likely originated during the Green Sahara period.[3]

Haplogroup E-V38 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

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