Was CNN's War Report really that BIG when it Dropped?
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Ice_MF_Mike
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as already said(i only read page 1) this was a huge album in NYC. CNN and desert storm were huge on the underground mixtape circuit. Back then clue tapes were big time. And CNN were all over them. Many of the tracks on this album debuted on a clue tape. The album itself was big as it really created that signature queensbridge sound. Tragedy Khadafi basically exec produced it and crafted a classic album. It wasnt a commercial hit. But on the underground it was highly anticipated and exceeded all expectations even with Pone locked and limited on the album(that actually may have helped since we got to hear more Tragedy Khadafi). Notice Nore, even though he had commerical success after the album, his rhymes and overall album quality fell off without Trag there. Thats why it was a classic. And the reunion was never going to have the same success because of that unfortunately.
bigbadbossup2012
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It's a fact that illmatic flopped when it was out despite getting 5 mics in the source
It's a fact that the source broke a rule giving it 5 mics and outlawed other albums around the same time getting 5 mics
It's a fact there's been a running lie that illmatic pioneered the multi notable producer albums
it's a fact that despite bootleggers plaguing everyone,you tried to use it as an exclusive excuse for illmatic's failure.
It's a fact that nas changed his whole approach to finally find success after flopping and being salty.
it's a fact that a handful of NEW acts made their debut in 94' and their products had a much greater impact.
Yet illmatic is hoisted above all their projects in the media
The goofy shyt is neverending in threads like this...There's always somebody who equates "me and my 7 friends didn't know about it" to "nobody was checkin' for it"
Always the "only in NY" folk when they were barely off their own porch to gauge what people everywhere knew about
Always the "it wasn't mainstream so it wasn't shyt"
To answer the question, no, the War Report wasn't "big"... if by "big" you mean an album that spun off radio smashes and videos that were MTV/BET staples. If you were following hip-hop actively, and not just who had a hit at the time, War Report was one of the best albums that year and got a lot of love considering that it was a very underground/street aimed album.
So I guess every car I heard 'OB4CL' coming out of from summer thru fall '95 were just people reading the Source... and as they read the magazine inside their cars, the music suddenly played.
All the people I went to school with who were bumpin' it weren't really bumpin' that shyt, they were just reading VIBE.
The thing is, nikkas can talk about how the media did this and that, but don't nobody know 'the media', and it ain't the media that celebrates the music, it's the people. The media covers it cause that's what media does. End of the day, there's people in real life who didn't even read those mags and were lovin' that album, in real time. The real revisionism is when dudes hop in these threads 20+ years later and try to maneuver things to fit their narrative.
Yo said 'Gangsta's Paradise' album...
@bigbadbossup2012 you a wild boy...
All the people I went to school with who were bumpin' it weren't really bumpin' that shyt, they were just reading VIBE.
The thing is, nikkas can talk about how the media did this and that, but don't nobody know 'the media', and it ain't the media that celebrates the music, it's the people. The media covers it cause that's what media does. End of the day, there's people in real life who didn't even read those mags and were lovin' that album, in real time. The real revisionism is when dudes hop in these threads 20+ years later and try to maneuver things to fit their narrative.
Yo said 'Gangsta's Paradise' album...
@bigbadbossup2012 you a wild boy...
This is what these threads always come down to.
Right, and it's how you find out who was and who wasn't, lol
And sure, people in different places were listening to different things- everybody wasn't just unanimously listenin' to the same shyt, but that's also because there was so much different stuff out there to choose from. I don't know how nikkas figure that them and their circle represents "everybody".
JayBaldacci
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The style of music... and the quality
again, bootlegging hit east coast artists the hardest. I'm not gonna waste time arguing with you about that anymore.
and why would I try to make it an exclusive excuse for illmatic?? I don't even like nas.
bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
There's always somebody who equates "me and my 7 friends didn't know about it" to "nobody was checkin' for it"
Always the "only in NY" folk when they were barely off their own porch to gauge what people everywhere knew about1
Always the "it wasn't mainstream so it wasn't shyt"2
To answer the question, no, the War Report wasn't "big"... if by "big" you mean an album that spun off radio smashes and videos that were MTV/BET staples. If you were following hip-hop actively, and not just who had a hit at the time, War Report was one of the best albums that year and got a lot of love considering that it was a very underground/street aimed album.3
1. You haven't the slightest clue who i was around or what i saw back then. And you could say the same about me.So I guess every car I heard 'OB4CL' coming out of from summer thru fall '95 were just people reading the Source... and as they read the magazine inside their cars, the music suddenly played.
All the people I went to school with who were bumpin' it weren't really bumpin' that shyt, they were just reading VIBE.4
The thing is, nikkas can talk about how the media did this and that, but don't nobody know 'the media', and it ain't the media that celebrates the music, it's the people.5 The media covers it cause that's what media does. End of the day, there's people in real life who didn't even read those mags and were lovin' that album, in real time. The real revisionism is when dudes hop in these threads 20+ years later and try to maneuver things to fit their narrative.6
Yo said 'Gangsta's Paradise' album...
This is why the conversations end up coming back to documented numbers. If an album like ob4cl was coming out of every car in your circle of life,but it didnt sale greatly,then obviously your experience is NOT a reflection of what happened on a nationwide level. (and if the album comes from the same region you're in,it even further creates a bias viewpoint)
2.I dont feel like this at all. However,if east coast albums can flop in the mainstream yet receive an ironclad CLASSIC STATUS because "they were hot on the streets" then i'd expect that for albums of all regions that performed in a similar fashion. BUT WE KNOW that typically doesnt happen. Which is why flops like ob4cl and the infamous will get placed amongst dogg food, MATW and E1999 eternal. And will be placed waaaaaaaaaaaaay above albums with similar or slightly better sales.
3.The whole "if you were following hiphop" narrative is a tired and weak excuse. Because once again,it's only used to help east coast floppers. It's a ton of artists whom might of been hot on the streets in certain regions but will never get similar props cause they're not from the east. It got a lot of love from who? East coast people,media? How do you prove that? In my world ,unlv and B.G. were hotter in 97' than cnn and this was before the major deal. They were truly independent.
4.In the end it comes down to who's belief is standing on more solid ground and backed by something beyond east coast media or emotional east coast posters.
Example,if OB4CL was coming out of every car (and maybe it was on the east coast) and it didnt do big numbers,but i heard dogg food,matw,e1999 eternal,cocktales coming out of every trunk AND THEY HAD BETTER SALES,i'm supposed to believe those east coast albums were popping as much or more than those? Where's the logic in that?
5.So you're going to sit here and pretend that the media is more of a reflection of common folk and not biased to those that run it?
6.I'm not revising anything. I'm putting documented numbers in front of biased opinion. If i'm revising something,what exactly am i rewriting or making up?
7.What does that mean?
bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
I'm not saying that though,so.......
bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
prophecypro
Hollywood North
CLassic album
bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
You dont have to like nas,you love illmaticagain, bootlegging hit east coast artists the hardest. I'm not gonna waste time arguing with you about that anymore.
and why would I try to make it an exclusive excuse for illmatic?? I don't even like nas.
So illmatic's success and popularity was so centered and concentrated in the east coast that east coast bootlegging stopped it from being a huge success?
He didnt have enough success around the nation to be successful despite that?
Interesting,very interesting
And my point is proven,thanks
You're comparing cnn to other rappers when thats not the topic.......The topic is the impact of their 1997 LP......we not comparing BG to CNN.....it doesnt say BG vs CNN in the title.
.......If the topic is cnns 1997 lp then people are gonna speak on it and its impact. We arent talking about BG. Now if the thread had BGs 1997 albums in the title then someone like you can speak on it and no one from NY could say shyt. You'd get your moment to shine and if anyone goes "Well it didnt get play in NYC" then u can speak on how it doesnt matter cuz it got heavy play where u are and thats the facts.
But lets stay on BG since u wanna refelct on sales. U said
if OB4CL was coming out of every car (and maybe it was on the east coast) and it didnt do big numbers,but i heard dogg food,matw,e1999 eternal,cocktales coming out of every trunk AND THEY HAD BETTER SALES,i'm supposed to believe those east coast albums were popping as much or more than those? Where's the logic in that?
Now If I flip this same argument and say "well if BGs iaonu vol 1 -2 was coming out the car where u from in 97 but Wu Tang and Biggie had better sales, i'm supposed to believe we should be mentioning BG albums as if they were popping as much or more then those?
In the end it comes down to who's belief is standing on more solid ground and backed by something beyond east coast media < - -----------your words (The argument works both ways 
)and then u wanna dismiss east coast media when Source magazine was the outlet that pushed BG and Cash money heavy on the east coast. How Dah Shinin only get 3 mics yet Guerilla warfare got 4 1/2?
Boy you something else
