Was "Hardhome" the best episode of Game of Thrones? "Night's Watch, with me!"

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Nah, the 8th season had its problems but I think a lot of points went over people's head. Understandable as it was rushed.

Tyrion: I'm not particularly good at violence, but I'm good at convincing others to do violence for me.

Dany having Vary's burned alive solidified Tyrion's view on her. He knew that he couldn't reach her. He knew that she had no qualms with killing those who previously helped her. He convinced Jon to do the right thing.

But I think that’s the point. Varys was one of the most intelligent characters in the story. I think the writers didn’t know how to handle him and essentially made him dumb enough to get himself killed when he would have outsmarted the situation any other time.

Dany was progressing toward madness with or without the Varys killing. Tyrion would have eventually landed at that conclusion anyway which was catalyzed by the killing of that one general and his son whom were the last of their family house (can’t remember their names).

 

[Umoja]

But I think that’s the point. Varys was one of the most intelligent characters in the story. I think the writers didn’t know how to handle him and essentially made him dumb enough to get himself killed when he would have outsmarted the situation any other time.

Dany was progressing toward madness with or without the Varys killing. Tyrion would have eventually landed at that conclusion anyway which was catalyzed by the killing of that one general and his son whom were the last of their family house (can’t remember their names).

Desperation.

He is smart, so what do you think he would go through if he spent 15 years scheming only to realise he put his eggs in the basket of a mad woman?

I don't think it was handled well. As I said before, the ending was rushed, but I can understand why things played out the way they did.

Tyrion was in denial. He recognised what was going on but saw it as his job to control her impulses. Until Vary's death, he was downplaying shyt and making excuses.

I get people's complaints. It is irritating because if someone paid me millions, I'm certain that I would do a better job.

I think what annoys me is being able to see how certain concepts could work, but know why they fell flat. Ultimately, it needed 2 more seasons. 1 minimum.

 

[Mook]

Varys and Baelish were the best characters on the show. I feel like the writers of the show had to kill them off because the writing behind their characters was too smart for them to progress their storylines. Varys dying literally added nothing to the plot.

Tywin and Olenna were great characters as well.

In the books he's trying to put a fake aegon on the throne. Without that he's worthless. Low key the show actually saved the reputation of the books. People hated this character, but this guys super important. You can see how him missing makes nothing really makes sense.

I bet in the books Dany goes crazy cause when she goes to westeros aegon is already there and more loved than her. :winslow:

 

[Umoja]

In the books he's trying to put a fake aegon on the throne. Without that he's worthless. Low key the show actually saved the reputation of the books. People hated this character, but this guys super important. You can see how him missing makes nothing really makes sense.

I bet in the books Dany goes crazy cause when she goes to westeros aegon is already there and more loved than her. :winslow:

Another point that will make more sense in the books.

When Kingslanding was sacked by the Lanisters, the bells rang. Cersei rang the bells, but that shyt likely triggered her PTSD.

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

But I think that’s the point. Varys was one of the most intelligent characters in the story. I think the writers didn’t know how to handle him and essentially made him dumb enough to get himself killed when he would have outsmarted the situation any other time.

Dany was progressing toward madness with or without the Varys killing. Tyrion would have eventually landed at that conclusion anyway which was catalyzed by the killing of that one general and his son whom were the last of their family house (can’t remember their names).

Tarly House

 

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Tarly House

Yeah, it was the Tarly’s.

 

[Maxine Shaw]

It really is amazing how much Season 8 killed any interest I had in the series. Like every time someone mentions Game of Thrones now my first thought is "oh yeah GOT, that was a thing".

I've seen a finale murder a season, but I've never seen a finale murder an entire SERIES.

 

[Michael's Black Son]

and i still haven’t watched this shyt yet

 

[Maxine Shaw]

That whole exchange was

"Old."
"OLD!?"
"Old."

That hit me in the ovaries like WHOA.

Tywin had scenes for days.

Don't forget the time he straight up humiliated Joffrey. Tywin was a wise man, even if he was a monster (ESPECIALLY in the book.)

The way they wrote Cersei being killed was bullshyt. I wanted to see that bytch suffer.

The book predicted that she would be choked to death by her little brother, which could have been Jamie *or* Tyrion.

 

[Mr Clean]

Just cause her grandson was a fruitcake, she thought that meant every dude in westeros played for the same team



Tywin: the only thing that might turn my stomach is details of your grandsons nocturnal activities. Do you deny them?


Olenna: oh not at all, a sword swallower through and through


Tywin: A boy with his affliction should be grateful to marry the most beautiful woman in the kingdom



Olenna: did you grow up with boy cousins, Lord Tywin?


Tywin: Of course


Olenna: and you never....


Tywin: No.


Olenna: Not once?


Tywin: Never. Your ppl seem to have a high tolerance for unnatural behavior



That whole exchange was

Ayo

Tywin don't get no cool points with his twin children smashing and creating abominable, golden monstrosities.

Could have been worse though. Could have been twin boys

 

[O.Red]

The story isn't supposed to foreshadow Arya killing the Night King because that is too flat of an arc, y'all want lineal stories where the obvious hero makes the obvious final move when nothing about GOT was based in straightforwardness.

The point is that everybody ended up doing what was best for the Seven Kingdoms or dying. Arya avenged her family but her path called for a higher/greater purpose than serving her own wishes alone.

I don't care for how Jon Snow ended up either because he was the perfect king and there was a way they could've done it but Arya killing the Night King made sense.

You get it

The real killer of GOT was them subverting GRRMs subversions of common tropes

It turned into a regular tv show

 

[KingJay]

Lady Olenna and Tywin are GOAT-tier character. They're straight fukkery, but in an intelligent way. They're always moving steps ahead of everyone else, and they're just brutally honest about it

 

[O.Red]

he was breaking oaths before he was dead like fukking that ugly wildling bytch

Exactly. Nikkas pick and choose for the nikkas they like

Grrms writing was rooted in that context. He knew that of you liked a character you'll look the other way or forgive anything they do

That's why a character like the Hound exists. He openly called everybody's bullshyt for what it was

 

[5n0man]

The night king wasn't even in the books.

He was always a throw away character and Jon's real storyline was never explored in the show.

 

[O.Red]

Nah see none of it makes sense without Jamie confessing the tysha girl really loved him. Tyrion already knew they hated and wanted to kill him dude lmao. Shae was a whore story of his life. But tysha, holy shyt someone actually loved him for real. And he took her. That's evil, now tyrion has to find out what happens to her.

Now everything else makes sense for him to go to the queen dynardis. It's crazy.

EXACTLY. I've said this in multiple threads. Them altering Tyrion's storyline to make him look like he loved Shae and killed her in self defense and not blind rage is the beginning of the ruining of the show