Was that the most rigged quarter ever?

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Do you not see Curry's hand wrapped around his hip to impede forward progress freeze the shyt at one second that's a fukking foul my god and the first thing that happens before they locked up. Grabbing someone's hip as they streak for an outlet isn't a foul? Since when? That was a clear path foul, Iman gets to that ball either on the catch or hop.

Of course I can see Curry's hand on his hip, but he doesn't impede his forward progress. It basically touches and slides off, I mean hell it even looks like that in slow motion. That's not a foul. And like I said, if you call shyt as soft as that during the game, how many foul calls do you think the Warriors would get in their favor when dudes are touching Curry, Klay and Durant off the ball?



There'd be constant stoppages because nobody would be allowed to touch anybody. LeBron's out here Deebo'ing muhfukkas and the refs aren't calling him for shyt, yet Curry's skinny ass barely touches a player and gets called for ticky tack shyt. And it's not just the Shumpert play, it's most of the time where he picks up fouls. It's bewildering.

I'm not playing "dumb" if the list is that Reddit post miss me with that B.S., you feel like the Warriors didn't get the same calls that's your gripe but don't sit here and pretend like it's phantom whistles on some '02 Kings and Lakers shyt.

Miss you with facts? Yeah, I thought as much.

 

[ISO]

Of course I can see Curry's hand on his hip, but he doesn't impede his forward progress. It basically touches and slides off. That's not a foul. And like I said, if you call shyt as soft as that during the game, how many foul calls do you think the Warriors would get in their favor when dudes are touching Curry, Klay and Durant off the ball? If I do this at the gym nikkas gonna look at me funny.



There'd be constant stoppages because nobody would be allowed to touch anybody. LeBron's out here Deebo'ing muhfukkas and the refs aren't calling shyt, yet Curry skinny ass barely touches a player and gets called for ticky tack shyt.

Miss you with facts? Yeah, I thought as much.

Dog if you're running streaking ahead and I put my hands on your hip for a brief second your progress has been impeded. That wasn't a tap on the hip, Curry's hands are wrapped around him, it's a grab of the hip.

"It basically touches and slides off"

This ain't football nikka, Steph playing Iman like a corner back grabbing hips shyt even in the NFL they may call pass interference. CUT IT.

He is clearly trying to slow down Iman. Curry fouled period, that is a foul, and a dumb one at that, there is no way there is a no call with that much contact on a transition player with said player ahead of the field. Curry fouled period, if it was any Golden State player and that went uncalled you would be bytching. That was one of the most blatant fouls of the quarter and y'all were very fortunate they didn't charge you with a clear path foul because that is exactly what it was.

Do you think Steph, Klay, KD are the only ones getting touched? You do realize you ended up shooting more FT's than the Cavaliers and didn't lose because of fouls, out the gate the Cavaliers were burying tough three pointers and ended up making 24 of them. KD himself got to the line 16 times. The Dubs are infamous for illegal screens, Dray blatantly snuffed Iman Shumpert off the jump ball, Zaza Pachulia is on the floor hitting Iman Shumpert's nuts, and Livingston is looking mighty Bruce Bowen-ish on a Kyrie Irving close out but no the Dubs are angels and it was nothing but phantom whistles in the first quarter apparently.



I re-watched first quarter highlights. I'm failing to see these egregious phantom foul calls a lot of these are BLATANT.

I'm seeing Zaza jump into K-Love shooting, I'm seeing Klay try to draw a charge from RJ in the restricted area, I'm seeing Iguodala grab RJ by the neck as he dives to the paint off a pick, Steph grab Iman by the hip and then the two tangle on the outlet pass, the JaVale block on RJ is 50/50 block is clean but there is body contact from the back, Zaza pushing LeBron off a one hand runner for an and-one. These are not phantom whistles. Y'all got blasted from three and Tristan Thompson finally showed up on the offensive boards.

What facts? These are FOULS, why are these facts because Warriors fan Gil-Scott Heroin thinks the Warriors aren't getting a fair shake? Face it y'all played shyt defense in the first quarter from tip, the energy was different on the road from tip. Stop blaming refs we can nitpick all day about missed calls from both teams.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

It was a physical game.
Cavs shot 53% from 3.

They earned that win.

Gonna be very hard to win Game 5 in Oakland.

They earned that win


I'm sorry but that was one of the funniest things I've heard all week. Earned is not the word that comes to mind watching that bullshyt of a first half

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Reposting for nikkas acting like they didn't see this post before

 

[O.T.I.S.]

I'm going to pretend TheColi's most splenetic LeBron stan didn't just accuse me of always being "so deep" in my emotions when it concerns a team/player. Especially since I was actually the first one to accuse you of that very thing in the past, and all you're doing is trying to deflect by turning it onto me. There's a reason why the majority of our arguments center around LeBron, and not the Warriors.

I. Here's your first mistake - you're taking the free throw disparity after they went up by double digits in a vacuum, failing to realize that the Cavs were allowed to be physical from the onset. Meaning there were fouls that were NOT called during the process of building that 15-point lead. The refs didn't just heavily favor the Cavs after they built that lead (by sending them to the line), they were favoring them from the very start.

Examples of fouls not called when they built said margin:


- shot clock doesn't reset, forcing Durant to put up a 3-pt shot which he was fouled on


- blocking foul on TT goes uncalled


- TT over the back goes uncalled

And there were a # of times that Cavs got away with bearhugging both Curry and Klay off the ball.

II. The lead didn't get any bigger when the fouls started getting called? You do realize that adds weight to my argument right? If the lead didn't get any bigger when the Cavs were getting all those foul calls, that means the Warriors would've eaten into the margin had they not been called for ticky tack fouls. What makes it worse is that, the Warriors would've not only cut into the margin if they don't get called for those fouls, but if the refs began favoring them instead they would've most probably taken the lead in the first quarter.

And you had instances like this where the Warriors were not only battling the refs on defense, they also weren't getting shooting fouls of their own -


- Curry clearly fouled on the arm on a layup

III. The rest of the game doesn't really matter, because the refs decided the result/tone in the first quarter. They not only gave the Cavs that margin, they not only allowed the Cavs to keep that margin, but they took the sting out of the Warriors defense - which then led to them being passive on that end for the rest of the game; fearing another period where the refs would call them for ticky tack fouls. If a team is awarded 22 FTs in one quarter, it's gonna affect how aggressive they are on defense for the rest of the game.

Funny how if you take away that ref-affected first quarter, there was basically nothing between the two teams:

35-37
28-29
20-22

Even despite the Warriors dialing down their defensive intensity, they still went bucket for bucket with the Cavs.

I said this as well

Looking at the boxscore AFTER the first quarter it was a pretty even game despite GS kinda just chillin because they knew they werent going to allow them to sweep these bums like that.

That first quarter was the biggest bullshyt NBA has done since last years finals

 

[ElectroMan]

Refs trading techs from players to coaches I don't care if the calls are bad or not i've never seen this happen in an NBA game.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Dog if you're running streaking ahead and I put my hands on your hip for a brief second your progress has been impeded. That wasn't a tap on the hip, Curry's hands are wrapped around him, it's a grab of the hip.

"It basically touches and slides off"

This ain't football nikka, Steph playing Iman like a corner back grabbing hips shyt even in the NFL they may call pass interference. CUT IT..

Except it isn't. Context. Curry puts his hand (singular) on Shumpert's hip momentarily, you can even see in slow motion (which you know lengthens the time his hand touches Shumpert) that it slides right off before it impedes his forward progress. Hence Shumpert needed to flail his arms to exaggerate the contact.

He is clearly trying to slow down Iman. Curry fouled period, that is a foul, and a dumb one at that, there is no way there is a no call with that much contact on a transition player with said player ahead of the field. Curry fouled period, if it was any Golden State player and that went uncalled you would be bytching. That was one of the most blatant fouls of the quarter and y'all were very fortunate they didn't charge you with a clear path foul because that is exactly what it was.

Did he try to slow him down? Yes. Did he succeed in slowing him down? No. That's the difference here. The only thing that fukked up his "forward progress" and his stride was him flopping. Again, I don't have any qualms about it being called a foul (for the sake of, if you call soft shyt like that then you have to be consistent on all possessions - which would result in the game turning into a FT contest), but if you set a precedent with calls like that then you do it on the other team too. That didn't happen. Curry briefly touches Shumpert and gets called for the foul, Cavs players bearhug the Warriors shooters and don't get called for fouls. Tell me how the fukk is that consistent officiating?

Awarding fouls for minimal contact for one team, but more physical, blatant contact doesn't get whistled for the other team?

Do you think Steph, Klay, KD are the only ones getting touched?.

Fact 1 - the Warriors have the three BEST shooters in the series
Fact 2 - those THREE shooters (who just so happen to be the Warriors main offensive options) play off the ball more than the Cavaliers main options
Fact 3 - you can be more physical on players who don't have the ball, than when they do

Before we even get into the lining of the tape, it stands to reason that the Warriors are more likely to suffer heavy contact off the ball because of how great their shooting is, and the fact that those players provide the majority of the team's offensive production. Now you're lying to yourself if you can't see a physicality difference between how Steph, Klay, and KD are defended and how Bron, Kyrie and Love are defended. You can't be as physical on a player with the ball as you can when they don't have it.

Time of possession:

LeBron - 7.9 minutes per game
Irving - 6.2 minutes per game
Curry - 5.2 minutes per game
Durant - 3.6 minutes per game

Clearly, the Warriors main scoring options are more likely to be touched on the offensive end, because they're moving without the ball more often - plus being greater threats to shoot in a shell.

You do realize you ended up shooting more FT's than the Cavaliers and didn't lose because of fouls, out the gate the Cavaliers were burying tough three pointers and ended up making 24 of them. KD himself got to the line 16 times.

The result/tone was decided in the first quarter because they got 22 FTs. It doesn't matter if the FTs were equaled out over the course of the game, because the first quarter affected how the Warriors defended for the rest of the game.

The Dubs are infamous for illegal screens.

You're better than to use this pathetic ass bullshyt. Especially since the Cavs have been allowed to get away with more contact in this series. As they did last Finals, and the Finals before that.

I re-watched first quarter highlights. I'm failing to see these egregious phantom foul calls a lot of these are BLATANT.

Perhaps instead of watching the highlights, why don't you watch the first quarter in its entirety. Maybe you'll see the difference between how the Warriors aren't allowed to defend, and how the Cavaliers are allowed to defend. There's a thought.

What facts? These are FOULS, why are these facts because Warriors fan Gil-Scott Heroin thinks the Warriors aren't getting a fair shake? Face it y'all played shyt defense in the first quarter from tip, the energy was different on the road from tip. Stop blaming refs we can nitpick all day about missed calls from both teams.

Why do y'all LeBron stans do this all the time? Accuse others of being blinded by fandom when y'all are the most rampant, bellicose and dishonest fanbase outside the Kobe stans on this board.

 

[ISO]

I'm going to pretend TheColi's most splenetic LeBron stan didn't just accuse me of always being "so deep" in my emotions when it concerns a team/player. Especially since I was actually the first one to accuse you of that very thing in the past, and all you're doing is trying to deflect by turning it onto me. There's a reason why the majority of our arguments center around LeBron, and not the Warriors.

I. Here's your first mistake - you're taking the free throw disparity after they went up by double digits in a vacuum, failing to realize that the Cavs were allowed to be physical from the onset. Meaning there were fouls that were NOT called during the process of building that 15-point lead. The refs didn't just heavily favor the Cavs after they built that lead (by sending them to the line), they were favoring them from the very start.

Examples of fouls not called when they built said margin:


- shot clock doesn't reset, forcing Durant to put up a 3-pt shot which he was fouled on


- blocking foul on TT goes uncalled


- TT over the back goes uncalled

And there were a # of times that Cavs got away with bearhugging both Curry and Klay off the ball.

II. The lead didn't get any bigger when the fouls started getting called? You do realize that adds weight to my argument right? If the lead didn't get any bigger when the Cavs were getting all those foul calls, that means the Warriors would've eaten into the margin had they not been called for ticky tack fouls. What makes it worse is that, the Warriors would've not only cut into the margin if they don't get called for those fouls, but if the refs began favoring them instead they would've most probably taken the lead in the first quarter.

And you had instances like this where the Warriors were not only battling the refs on defense, they also weren't getting shooting fouls of their own -


- Curry clearly fouled on the arm on a layup

III. The rest of the game doesn't really matter, because the refs decided the result/tone in the first quarter. They not only gave the Cavs that margin, they not only allowed the Cavs to keep that margin, but they took the sting out of the Warriors defense - which then led to them being passive on that end for the rest of the game; fearing another period where the refs would call them for ticky tack fouls. If a team is awarded 22 FTs in one quarter, it's gonna affect how aggressive they are on defense for the rest of the game.

Funny how if you take away that ref-affected first quarter, there was basically nothing between the two teams:

35-37
28-29
20-22

Even despite the Warriors dialing down their defensive intensity, they still went bucket for bucket with the Cavs.

I wish I knew how to make streamables acting like the Cavs didn't get no-calls worse than this in the 1st quarter which y'all claim was rigged.

It's the refs fault the shot clock didn't reset? Durant hoisted up a contested 3 with LeBron coming over Draymond's pick with 10 seconds left you acting like the shyt was about to expire and he threw up a desperation shot.

That blocking foul and over the back are 50/50 calls. Please my nikka, none of these are as blatant as the calls the Cavs got which I posted. Blatant blocks in the restricted area, jumping into shooters, Zaza's shove on LeBron, etc.

 

[ISO]

Except it isn't. Context. Curry puts his hand (singular) on Shumpert's hip momentarily, you can even see in slow motion (which you know lengthens the time his hand touches Shumpert) that it slides right off before it impedes his forward progress. Hence Shumpert needed to flail his arms to exaggerate the contact.

Did he try to slow him down? Yes. Did he succeed in slowing him down? No. That's the difference here. The only thing that fukked up his "forward progress" and his stride was him flopping. Again, I don't have any qualms about it being called a foul (for the sake of, if you call soft shyt like that then you have to be consistent on all possessions - which would result in the game turning into a FT contest), but if you set a precedent with calls like that then you do it on the other team too. That didn't happen. Curry briefly touches Shumpert and gets called for the foul, Cavs players bearhug the Warriors shooters and don't get called for fouls. Tell me how the fukk is that consistent officiating?

Awarding fouls for minimal contact for one team, but more physical, blatant contact doesn't get whistled for the other team?



Fact 1 - the Warriors have the three BEST shooters in the series
Fact 2 - those THREE shooters (who just so happen to be the Warriors main offensive options) play off the ball more than the Cavaliers main options
Fact 3 - you can be more physical on players who don't have the ball, than when they do

Before we even get into the lining of the tape, it stands to reason that the Warriors are more likely to suffer heavy contact off the ball because of how great their shooting is, and the fact that those players provide the majority of the team's offensive production. Now you're lying to yourself if you can't see a physicality difference between how Steph, Klay, and KD are defended and how Bron, Kyrie and Love are defended. You can't be as physical on a player with the ball as you can when they don't have it.

Time of possession:

LeBron - 7.9 minutes per game
Irving - 6.2 minutes per game
Curry - 5.2 minutes per game
Durant - 3.6 minutes per game

Clearly, the Warriors main scoring options are more likely to be touched on the offensive end, because they're moving around without the ball more often - plus being greater threats to shoot in a shell.



The result/tone was decided in the first quarter because they got 22 FTs. It doesn't matter if the FTs were equaled out over the course of the game, because the first quarter affected how the Warriors defended for the rest of the game.

You're better than to use this pathetic ass bullshyt. Especially since the Cavs have been allowed to get away with more contact in this series. As they did last Finals, and the Finals before that.

Perhaps instead of watching the highlights, why don't you watch the first quarter in its entirety. Maybe you'll see the difference between how the Warriors aren't allowed to defend, and how the Cavaliers are allowed to defend. There's a thought.



Why do y'all LeBron stans do this all the time? Accuse others of being blinded by fandom when y'all are the most rampant, bellicose, dishonest fanbase outside the Kobe stans on this board.

I'm not arguing about that call anymore. It's a foul, period. Let that be Curry and you'd be bytching. It's a foul you're not allowed to wrap your arm around a player who is ahead of you and grab or as you're saying touch in transition period. It's a foul period. By definition, by the book it is a foul and one of the most blatant fouls of the quarter.

If I could make streamables I could post several missed and one calls for Kyrie in the last game, Iguodala slapping LeBron's arms on his strips, Love rarely gets calls when he goes up for put backs on the offensive boards. Kyrie initiated contact on a pump fake and the refs didn't whistle it in the first quarter, Livingston took away Kyrie's landing space and could have injured him yet they didn't call it, when Kyrie facetimed Durant he fell back which could have been called a foul but wasn't, handchecking on LBJ and Ky, Love and Smith bumped after three point shots. By the book Dray's hit on Shump's face is excessive and didn't even go under flagrant review, everyone thought Dray was gone after that second tech and suddenly the first tech was on Steve Kerr? I can nitpick little things from the game as well, but the fouls the Cavs drew in the 1st quarter for the most part were BLATANT. I watched the first quarter I saw every foul given, I've been watching footage from the game from both sides since we started debating this. Give some respect to the Cavs they were hitting contested three pointers, y'all came out flat from tip period.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Well, last year it was almost criminal, what they were doing to (Curry) off the ball and the officials were not calling (it)...it's my biggest pet peeve about the NBA. And I've spoken with them on this issue on a number of occasions. "Play-off basketball," what is that? The rule book is the rule book. Why do they interpret the rules differently and even hearing (Lue) saying it, it makes me sick to hear "well, we need to get more physical." ...wait a second, the game is physical to begin with--there are rules--you can only do so much without creating a violation. The officials have to call the game according to the rule book. They can't let guys hold and shove and grab and push and bang like they do against Steph because that has more of an impact on him than it does on Lebron. Plus, it takes no talent to do that. You're giving an advantage to the less-skilled player by allowing that to happen. And it makes me sick that the NBA allows that to continue and allows their officials to have mayhem take place out there without the whistle being blown. And then you have a ticky-tack little touch foul out on the court and they blow their whistle! It makes no sense whatsoever. It's an advantage for Cleveland if the officials allow the game to get overly physical.

- Rick Barry.

 

[Guvnor]

So we can all agree the NBA is rigged right? I thought I was tripping or being a bitter fan lol.

 

[Remote]

They earned that win


I'm sorry but that was one of the funniest things I've heard all week. Earned is not the word that comes to mind watching that bullshyt of a first half

When you shoot that well you're probably gonna win.

 

[Emoryal]

Warrior bandwagoners are pathetic

 

[rapbeats]

The starting 5 in foul trouble and folks acting like this is some run of the mill shyt

exactly. lol at people saying "well cavs did make their shots." let me explain something to yall who say that. You do realize we are talking about elite nba players. first off your last guy on a nba bench is elite world wide. he's at worse top 500 in the world. thats at worse. and thats assuming their must be someone better than him some where in the world.

so we're now talking about kyrie, love, bron, jr smith. elite players among average nba guys.

if you mess around and Give them a boost by way of calling bogus calls on one end and not on the other.
what you do is give them extreme confidence on both ends. the moment you do that to nba players even the average ones. they will start hitting shots they have been missing and they wont stop making those shots.

the difference between a regular park baller and a top d-1 college scorer is when the d-1 guy gets hot, he stays hot for a bit longer and can hit a few more shots than your average joe.

the difference between a nba player when he catches fire. is he will stay hot for a few mins. not just 1 shot here or there.

but the difference between NBA ELITE scorers catching fire and everyone else is, when they get that hot they dont cool off. It will take some almost miracle to slow them down. which is why i give kobe so much props for when he shut down tracy mcgrady in the 2nd half of a game where tracy was murdering the lakers and kobe was playing with a messed up shoulder on his shooting side. most players can't cool elite players down once they get confidence which translates into them believing they can make every shot they take. truth is, they can. Its just in their minds that they can't. lebron works on his jumper more than most nba players. shaq worked on his ft's more than most players. the only reason bron bricks jumpers or is afraid to take them or shaq bricked ft's back in his day is because they lacked confidence. when shaq was confident he made fts when they counted. you see what happens when bron hits his first two jumpers. its on. all of a sudden he's hitting 3's and mid range jumpers like its an everyday thing. its all in the mind with these elite dudes.
so if the refs give them that feeling of "i can do anything I want. they can't guard me cause if they try it will be a foul" thats all they need to go on tear.

yes that game was fixed. which is why i turned it off after the 1st qtr. I'm no longer being a part of fake sports. I dont watch wrestling like when i was a kid and thought it was real.

as a laker fan of multiple laker teams that were so dominant. they wouldnt lose to any team in a series unless the refs pulled a fast one. golden state better be ready for this kind of officiating. this is going to be the norm for them. since their team is basically never going to a lose a series until one of these guys gets hurt or ages out. This is what they do to teams that can't be beating fair and square. this is an entertainment league. as entertaining it may be for basketball heads to watch great hoop. its not entertaining for cavs fans or other gsw haters or just regular fans that dont understand the sport in some in-depth manner.

 

[rapbeats]

When you shoot that well you're probably gonna win.

when the refs call fouls in your favor like that. that early in the game. You're probably going to catch fire and think "THEY CAN"T GUARD ME." because based on the refs...they actually CAN'T GUARD YOU.