Was that the most rigged quarter ever?

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Still no receipts,

I've posted receipts, and given you a logical explanation as to how the Cavaliers are more likely to get away with fouling -

Fact 1 - the Warriors have the three BEST shooters in the series
Fact 2 - those THREE shooters (who just so happen to be the Warriors main offensive options) play off the ball more than the Cavaliers main options
Fact 3 - you can be more physical on players who don't have the ball, than when they do

Before we even get into the lining of the tape, it stands to reason that the Warriors are more likely to suffer heavy contact off the ball because of how great their shooting is, and the fact that those players provide the majority of the team's offensive production. Now you're lying to yourself if you can't see a physicality difference between how Steph, Klay, and KD are defended and how Bron, Kyrie and Love are defended. You can't be as physical on a player with the ball as you can when they don't have it.

Time of possession:

LeBron - 7.9 minutes per game
Irving - 6.2 minutes per game
Curry - 5.2 minutes per game
Durant - 3.6 minutes per game

Clearly, the Warriors main scoring options are more likely to be touched on the offensive end, because they're moving around without the ball more often - plus being greater threats to shoot in a shell.

Which I then told you to go over that 1st quarter again and see the contact that the Cavs got away with.

A Tristan Thompson 50/50 missed blocking foul on a half court trap where Steph rather easily loses the ball

A 50/50 call that went in favor of the Cavs, that would've been called as a foul if committed by the Warriors.

a Tristan Thompson over the back foul another 50/50 call where Klay Thompson barely budges,

You have some cotdamn nerve after you scoffed at me for saying that Curry barely touched Shumpert, yet here you are calling a blatant foul a "50/50 call" and that Klay barely budges. He elbows Klay in the back (who's in front of him) and uses Klay's shoulder to prop himself up to get the board and tip-in. That's an over the back foul all day. That is far more blatant and impactful than what Curry did to Shumpert. Far more. The fact you can't see or acknowledge this, speaks volumes.

you blame a scorers table malfunction with the clock on the refs and KD hoists a contested 3 with 9-10 seconds you want a foul there

Oh yes, conveniently leave out the fact that LeBron fouled Durant on that 3-pt shot.

Why aren't you addressing the Cavaliers 15-6 advantage with one foul on both teams within the first three minutes, why aren't you addressing the three point on slaught to start the game, and all the offensive boards y'all gave up not only in the interior but on long misses, why are you acting dudes like J.R./Love/Kyrie weren't making ludicrous three pointers with hands in their faces all quarter.

I've already addressed this. The Cavaliers took the advantage through the officials not calling a consistent game (a # of examples I've already posted), by hitting a # of tough shots, whereas the Warriors couldn't get going the same because they weren't getting calls. The moment they started to build some rhythm, the refs started calling them for fouls on the other end.

It was a case of two steps forward and one step back. The back half of the first quarter (Cavs 19 FTs) fukked up their defensive flow for the rest of the game. And of course it affected the margin.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

His shorts are moving because Zaza is making contact in that region. Lol, he's just hitting Shumpert's hand away? That second time he threw his hands it was just trying to push Shumpert's hand away huh? Zaza is a known Euro goon my nikka.

Also, I literally just posted the first video that came up.

His shorts are moving because Shumpert is standing right over him, he lashes out because Iman's hand is on him. It only makes sense he's going to hit his shorts in the process. It doesn't help matters that Iman's shorts are low too, the crutch part being just above his knees. He's clearly not trying to hit him in that "region".

The fact you're even arguing this, yet think that over the back play was 50/50 and Klay barely budges is absolutely hilarious.

 

[ISO]

I've posted receipts, and given you a logical explanation as to how the Cavaliers are more likely to get away with fouling -

Fact 1 - the Warriors have the three BEST shooters in the series
Fact 2 - those THREE shooters (who just so happen to be the Warriors main offensive options) play off the ball more than the Cavaliers main options
Fact 3 - you can be more physical on players who don't have the ball, than when they do

Before we even get into the lining of the tape, it stands to reason that the Warriors are more likely to suffer heavy contact off the ball because of how great their shooting is, and the fact that those players provide the majority of the team's offensive production. Now you're lying to yourself if you can't see a physicality difference between how Steph, Klay, and KD are defended and how Bron, Kyrie and Love are defended. You can't be as physical on a player with the ball as you can when they don't have it.

Time of possession:

LeBron - 7.9 minutes per game
Irving - 6.2 minutes per game
Curry - 5.2 minutes per game
Durant - 3.6 minutes per game

Clearly, the Warriors main scoring options are more likely to be touched on the offensive end, because they're moving around without the ball more often - plus being greater threats to shoot in a shell.

Which I then told you to go over that 1st quarter again and see the contact that the Cavs got away with.

A 50/50 call that went in favor of the Cavs, that would've been called as a foul if committed by the Warriors.

You have some cotdamn nerve after you scoffed at me for saying that Curry barely touched Shumpert, yet here you are calling a blatant foul a "50/50 call" and that Klay barely budges. He elbows Klay in the back (who's in front of him) and uses Klay's shoulder to prop himself up to get the board and tip-in. That's an over the back foul all day. That is far more blatant and impactful than what Curry did to Shumpert. Far more. The fact you can't see or acknowledge this, speaks volumes.

Oh yes, conveniently leave out the fact that LeBron fouled Durant on that 3-pt shot.

I've already addressed this. The Cavaliers took the advantage through the officials not calling a consistent game (a # of examples I've already posted), by hitting a # of tough shots, whereas the Warriors couldn't get going the same because they weren't getting calls. The moment they started to build some rhythm, the refs started calling them for fouls on the other end.

It was a case of two steps forward and one step back. The back half of the first quarter (Cavs 19 FTs) fukked up their defensive flow for the rest of the game. And of course it affected the margin.

Listen you are Juelz'ing with this off-ball time of possession stuff, I'm not seeing this irregular contact off-ball, physicality is part of playing off-ball its impossible for officials to see some of that stuff, them playing like that comes with the territory. Not sure what I can say to a point like this. I saw the entire 1st quarter in a full game video on YouTube and I watched the whole game yesterday, I'm not seeing these egregious off-ball fouls.

If they called a block on that Tristan half court trap it would be one of the softest calls in the game, Steph simply lost the ball dude wasn't even stressing that, typical careless lost ball Steph turnover. Even the Reddit poster dismissed it as a bit of a reach.

Oh, yes conveniently ignore that Kyrie drew contact on a three right after and nothing was called.

Anyway, again you are picking select plays when I can do that shyt for the Cavaliers as well, out here splitting hairs. I've already mentioned several plays where a whistle could have been blown but wasn't. To start the game y'all was giving up threes, y'all was giving up boards, and then y'all started racking up blatant fouls that I already covered from Zaza's push of an attacking LeBron, Steph's grab of Iman on the break, to Klay's charge attempt deep in the restricted area, to Dray's clock to Iman's face, to KD's reach in on Kyrie splitting a double. Stop blaming refs when a team is shooting the lights out in your grill and capitalizing on blatant dumb fouls, even in the first quarter y'all got plenty of calls y'all selves got to the line over 10 times, got a foul called on a three pointer, drew an offensive foul call and all that.

You don't have conclusive evidence that the game was rigged you're showing isolated plays that can be picked from both teams some missed fouls and debatable 50/50 plays isn't enough evidence when I can do the same thing from the other side, when that FT disparity evaporated and y'all ended up shooting more free throws, and later in the game the Cavs got a B.S. flagrant foul called, and a tech called from the bench. You can say the game was poorly officiated, but don't say the game was rigged.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Listen you are Juelz'ing with this off-ball time of possession stuff, I'm not seeing this irregular contact off-ball, physicality is part of playing off-ball its impossible for officials to see some of that stuff, them playing like that comes with the territory. .

Of course you'd say that as a LeBron stan. Because i) LeBron doesn't play off the ball ii) LeBron gets away with fouls on defense regularly. You have no counter-argument to what I'm saying because you know it's true. Defenders get the benefit of the doubt when guarding off-ball, and the Warriors have more off-ball play incorporated into their offense than any other team, it just stands to reason that they're more likely to be fouled more regularly. Especially since Curry is the best shooter in the game. Teams do whatever they can to wear him down and not let him get a release.

The Cavs have been getting away blatant fouls on Curry for the last three Finals'.

Anyway, again you are picking select plays when I can do that shyt for the Cavaliers as well, out here splitting hairs. I've already mentioned several plays where a whistle could have been blown but wasn't. To start the game y'all was giving up threes, y'all was giving up boards, and then y'all started racking up blatant fouls that I already covered from Zaza's push of an attacking LeBron, Steph's grab of Iman on the break, to Klay's charge attempt in the restricted area, to Dray's clock to Iman's face, to KD's reach in on Kyrie splitting a double. Stop blaming refs when a team is shooting the lights out in your grill and capitalizing on blatant dumb fouls, even in the first quarter y'all got plenty of calls y'all selves got to the line over 10 times, got a foul called on a three pointer, drew an offensive foul call and all that.

A lot of conjecture and half truths in this portion of your post. Most of this shyt I've already addressed, all you're doing is banging your head against the wall. The problem is a lot of these either weren't fouls, or were 50/50 - that went in the favor of the Cavs. Whereas the Warriors didn't get the same favorable treatment. Why do I need to keep repeating this? This set the Warriors back, as the game was decided in that quarter.

Again. How the fukk can you claim that that foul called on Curry (v. Shumpert) was one of the most blatant fouls of the quarter, when he only briefly touched him and didn't impede his forward progress. Yet you seem to think MORE physical and longer contact on Klay by TT is a 50/50 call? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You sure you're not the one who decided on that officiating crew in G4?

Oh and on that Draymond/Shumpert play, Iman pulled Draymond's arm up to his face and Draymond followed through. Not exactly a play I'd completely blame Draymond for. If someone's pulling at your arm (which is the first infringement), you're gonna react to it, Iman was just stupid (or smart) to pull it up towards his face -

You don't have conclusive evidence that the game was rigged.

Like I said to another poster, it depends on what you mean by rigged? All I know is the refs had a direct hand in affecting the margin and the tone of the game. They basically took the Warriors out of the contest before the game even got going.

 

[kidsinamerica_]

People don't understand the art of rigging games.You can't look at the box score and say "Oh the Cavs only shot 4 more FT's.It's not rigged!"

The refs know how to manipulate the momentum/ebb & flow of the game.

It's obvious they started the game off with a Cavaliers slant.

All about timing....So you can't look at the box score.That's exactly what they want you to do.

Once the refs fukk a team and take away all their momentum, when said team's buried, the refs

will start giving them "cosmetic" fouls...to make the stat sheet look a lil more "fair"

These magicians have been doing it for years.

Exactly! This is a real problem and it has been going on for years, yet no one in the league seems to care.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

 

[LuckyLibra619]

Dawkins really gave no fukks with that title name

 

[ISO]

Of course you'd say that as a LeBron stan. Because i) LeBron doesn't play off the ball ii) LeBron gets away with fouls on defense regularly. You have no counter-argument to what I'm saying because you know it's true. Defenders get the benefit of the doubt when guarding off-ball, and the Warriors have more off-ball play incorporated into their offense than any other team, it just stands to reason that they're more likely to be fouled more regularly. Especially since Curry is the best shooter in the game. Teams do whatever they can to wear him down and not let him get a release.

The Cavs have been getting away blatant fouls on Curry for the last three Finals'.

A lot of conjecture and half truths in this portion of your post. Most of this shyt I've already addressed, all you're doing is banging your head against the wall. The problem is a lot of these either weren't fouls, or were 50/50 - that went in the favor of the Cavs. Whereas the Warriors didn't get the same favorable treatment. Why do I need to keep repeating this? This set the Warriors back, as the game was decided in that quarter.

Again. How the fukk can you claim that that foul called on Curry (v. Shumpert) was one of the most blatant fouls of the quarter, when he only briefly touched him and didn't impede his forward progress. Yet you seem to think MORE physical and longer contact on Klay by TT is a 50/50 call? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You sure you're not the one who decided on that officiating crew in G4?

Oh and on that Draymond/Shumpert play, Iman pulled Draymond's arm up to his face and Draymond followed through. Not exactly a play I'd completely blame Draymond for. If someone's pulling at your arm (which is the first infringement), you're gonna react to it, Iman was just stupid (or smart) to pull it up towards his face -



Like I said to another poster, it depends on what you mean by rigged? All I know is the refs had a direct hand in affecting the margin and the tone of the game. They basically took the Warriors out of the contest before the game even got going.

Again y'all play off-ball a lot that's what comes with the territory what the fukk am I supposed to say to that? Refs don't have nothing against the Warriors, it's just hard to whistle on off-ball plays. I guess the Warriors should never lose a game and live at the line because they are so disrespected on off-ball plays.

Don't say a lot of those weren't fouls by definition they are clear blatant fouls. All of those plays I stated were fouls. I've seen them multiple times.

I already said I will not discuss that Shumpert/Steph play any further. If I momentarily grab your hip for a second while you streak up the court you are playing dirty and you are trying to slow down a fast break. Also, Shumpert's flail created even more contact. It was a foul and should have been clear path. If it was a Warriors player and nothing was called you would be up in arms and posting screenshots of hands on hips. C'mon my nikka. I will not discuss that further, if you want an over the back a seldom called play, than sure have it. I'm sure the Warriors didn't have no uncalled loose ball fouls or over the backs all quarter.

I didn't even realize Iman pulled Draymond's arm up, Draymond still extended, and in live action to fans and referees they don't see that they just see a guy getting hit in the face off a jump ball.

I do not believe the game was rigged, it was a physical game that was poorly officiated but I saw you getting ran out the gym early before fouls were called the energy was different and y'all were down double digits. I saw the Cavs hit ridiculous threes all game. I don't believe the game was over in the first because there were numerous instances where the lead was cut to striking distance and your team is infamous for come backs. For the rest of the game the refereeing seemed in your favor with the FT disparity over come that was never that large to begin with in the first, the B.S. flagrant on Love, and Dahntay Jones tech on the bench.

Y'all sound pathetic their are clear rigged games in the history of this game. Games where Shaq was deboing entire center rotations and having them fouled out and Kobe was elbowing nikkas in the face and getting foul calls. Games where D-Wade got foul calls with no one in proximity. This was not one of them, you gave up 24 threes many that were well contested, some that should have been 4 point plays, you got beat on the boards, that is why you lost.

 

[Maluma]

Dog if you're running streaking ahead and I put my hands on your hip for a brief second your progress has been impeded. That wasn't a tap on the hip, Curry's hands are wrapped around him, it's a grab of the hip.

"It basically touches and slides off"

This ain't football nikka, Steph playing Iman like a corner back grabbing hips shyt even in the NFL they may call pass interference. CUT IT.

He is clearly trying to slow down Iman. Curry fouled period, that is a foul, and a dumb one at that, there is no way there is a no call with that much contact on a transition player with said player ahead of the field. Curry fouled period, if it was any Golden State player and that went uncalled you would be bytching. That was one of the most blatant fouls of the quarter and y'all were very fortunate they didn't charge you with a clear path foul because that is exactly what it was.

Do you think Steph, Klay, KD are the only ones getting touched? You do realize you ended up shooting more FT's than the Cavaliers and didn't lose because of fouls, out the gate the Cavaliers were burying tough three pointers and ended up making 24 of them. KD himself got to the line 16 times. The Dubs are infamous for illegal screens, Dray blatantly snuffed Iman Shumpert off the jump ball, Zaza Pachulia is on the floor hitting Iman Shumpert's nuts, and Livingston is looking mighty Bruce Bowen-ish on a Kyrie Irving close out but no the Dubs are angels and it was nothing but phantom whistles in the first quarter apparently.



I re-watched first quarter highlights. I'm failing to see these egregious phantom foul calls a lot of these are BLATANT.

I'm seeing Zaza jump into K-Love shooting, I'm seeing Klay try to draw a charge from RJ in the restricted area, I'm seeing Iguodala grab RJ by the neck as he dives to the paint off a pick, Steph grab Iman by the hip and then the two tangle on the outlet pass, the JaVale block on RJ is 50/50 block is clean but there is body contact from the back, Zaza pushing LeBron off a one hand runner for an and-one. These are not phantom whistles. Y'all got blasted from three and Tristan Thompson finally showed up on the offensive boards.

What facts? These are FOULS, why are these facts because Warriors fan Gil-Scott Heroin thinks the Warriors aren't getting a fair shake? Face it y'all played shyt defense in the first quarter from tip, the energy was different on the road from tip. Stop blaming refs we can nitpick all day about missed calls from both teams.

There is no point in arguing with someone who will always think he's right. If Curry woke up one day and said "the earth is flat" he'd start posting some flat earth theory nonsense to back up his hero's claim.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I guess the Warriors should never lose a game and live at the line because they are so disrespected on off-ball plays.

The refs let a passel of contact slide because it's a great equalizer to the Warriors offense. They understand that if they called that shyt on the regular, games would get out of hand more quickly and more regularly than they already do. Especially in the playoffs, and especially in the Finals. Which is what we've seen over the last three Finals' series - Cavs getting more of the benefit of the doubt.

Don't say a lot of those weren't fouls by definition they are clear blatant fouls. All of those plays I stated were fouls. I've seen them multiple times.

Past the called-fouls that were either not fouls or 50/50 calls (I've already addressed my reasoning behind them - don't take us back through this run). You're not understanding the context in which I'm phrasing this in, which is if they're blatant fouls, why isn't the same and even greater contact not called on the other end?

The Warriors have barely been able to touch Love in the post (prior to ball entry), and they get whistled, and yet heavier contact on Curry/Klay/Durant off the ball is not officiated the same. If those are blatant fouls on Love, why aren't they the same on Curry/Klay/Durant?

It's because the regularity of which those players play off the ball is greater than Love looking for the ball down low. Which is why there's this inconsistent officiating on what teams are allowed to get away with, because isolated plays where contact is made [Love post ups] are likely to get the attention of the refs, and not ones that they see every possession [Curry/Klay moving off the ball trying to get open].

It's basic human nature.

I already said I will not discuss that Shumpert/Steph play any further. If I momentarily grab your hip for a second while you streak up the court you are playing dirty and you are trying to slow down a fast break.

Then we call a foul EVERY single time that Curry, Klay or Durant get "momentarily" grabbed without the ball too. It's only fair, right? If you believe that what Curry did (he didn't impede Shumpert's forward progress), was a blatant foul and even dirty, then the Cavs are either fouling out or simply not even trying to shadow the Warriors players navigating around picks.

Also, Shumpert's flail created even more contact.

See this is the problem I have with you, is that somehow you think Shumpert's flail which created more contact is even relevant to what you're attempting to argue. If anything it goes against your own argument.

If it was a Warriors player and nothing was called you would be up in arms and posting screenshots of hands on hips.

False equivalence. Simply because the Warriors get hit with heavier, longer contact which goes uncalled. Whereas the Cavs don't to the same degree, therefore that play would be a drop in the ocean.

I do not believe the game was rigged, it was a physical game that was poorly officiated but I saw you getting ran out the gym early before fouls were called the energy was different and y'all were down double digits.

Again, you're not paying attention to what I'm posting. The Cavs built that lead on the back of not being called for fouls. The moment that the Warriors started to build rhythm and attempted to eat away at the margin, they started getting called for shyt that the Cavs weren't getting called for.

I saw the Cavs hit ridiculous threes all game.

They most certainly did, and that's not to take away from that but they did capitalize on the tone that was set in the first quarter, and the margin that was built from that. Who knows what would've happened had the refs not intervened that much. The Cavs could've still maintained that level of heat, but that's not the point of what I'm trying to argue.

There are far more influencing factors at play than you're simplifying this down to. Especially that early in the game.

I don't believe the game was over in the first because there were numerous instances where the lead was cut to striking distance and your team is infamous for come backs.

That only adds weight to my argument. That if you take away how that 1st quarter affected the margin and the each team's belief/disposition of play, the result would've been different. Unless you're going to bring something new to this discussion or take us down a different path, there's no point replying with the same ole shyt.

 

[Kaypain]

All this complaining