WAssup with Ricky Rubio this season??? :scusthov:

[tremonthustler1]

It's obvious he isn't a hunnid, but he's still averaging 22 minutes and only making 1 FG a game. If your supposed 'leader' and franchise player can only muster the aforementioned production over what is a decent amount of time back from injury - there's basically no hope for your team now or in the future.

Only it's not. He was on a strict minutes limit, so even if there was a stretch where he looked like he was getting comfortable, he'd get yanked and not play again. The first game he came back he played very well only to then not play during OT (luckily we won), but there were games, especially since Adelman's been MIA- 9 games now (we've been 2-7 since he's been gone)-- where there's no rhyme or reason to any of the rotations they make. That's also been a major cause for why Derrick is perceived to be a player that sucks when really he can't win no matter what he does.

Do I think this is what we can expect of him going forward? Of course not. That would be unfair to assume. If that is what he does, then you're right, there's no hope later for this organization, but we've seen him play when he's 100% and functional, and we saw how the team is when that's clicking. The team goes the way Rick and Ricky go. If they can rely on that then there isn't a player alive they can bank on.

I'd rather not stay all day just to rehash this all the time just because I know a big chunk of the coli only wants to harp on this to troll me as if they've always had better alternatives, but these are the circumstances they've had and nothing's worked in their favor this year, especially with injuries.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Only it's not. He was on a strict minutes limit, so even if there was a stretch where he looked like he was getting comfortable, he'd get yanked and not play again. The first game he came back he played very well only to then not play during OT (luckily we won), but there were games, especially since Adelman's been MIA- 9 games now (we've been 2-7 since he's been gone)-- where there's no rhyme or reason to any of the rotations they make. That's also been a major cause for why Derrick is perceived to be a player that sucks when really he can't win no matter what he does.

Do I think this is what we can expect of him going forward? Of course not. That would be unfair to assume. If that is what he does, then you're right, there's no hope later for this organization, but we've seen him play when he's 100% and functional, and we saw how the team is when that's clicking. The team goes the way Rick and Ricky go. If they can rely on that then there isn't a player alive they can bank on.

I'd rather not stay all day just to rehash this all the time just because I know a big chunk of the coli only wants to harp on this to troll me as if they've always had better alternatives, but these are the circumstances they've had and nothing's worked in their favor this year, especially with injuries.

What we've seen is the honeymoon period where he's running the team - which to an extent covered up all his offensive deficiencies (scoring/shooting). If what we saw was him at 100% last season and he only shot 35%, how do you expect anyone that doesn't have any emotional investment in the team to partake in the notion that he'll cut it as a legitimate #1 guy in the league? What we're seeing right now is what all the SRs said seasons ago: no confidence in shooting, poor mechanics etc etc. And he doesn't have any athleticism, in terms of where the PG-position is at the moment, to have a significant impact; he basically has nothing to fall back on.

All this talk of him leading your team (successfully), seems like it's reliant upon him developing somewhat of a Chris Paul-shooting game in the near future - which we all know isn't gonna happen.

 

[tremonthustler1]

What we've seen is the honeymoon period where he's running the team - which to an extent covered up all his offensive deficiencies (scoring/shooting). If what we saw was him at 100% last season and he only shot 35%, how do you expect anyone that doesn't have any emotional investment in the team to partake in the notion that he'll cut it as a legitimate #1 guy in the league? What we're seeing right now is what all the SRs said seasons ago: no confidence in shooting, poor mechanics etc etc. And he doesn't have any athleticism, in terms of where the PG-position is at the moment, to have a significant impact; he basically has nothing to fall back on.

All this talk of him leading your team (successfully), seems like it's reliant upon him developing somewhat of a Chris Paul-shooting game in the near future - which we all know isn't gonna happen.

But here's the funny thing though. He was everything you said he was, yet we were winning for the first time in YEARS. That's all I care about. I don't care how it gets done as long as it gets done, and nobody was getting it done until he and Adelman got here. If I wanted ungodly statistics, well, shyt this team has that too in Kevin Love. I'm more worried about the wins and losses. From that standpoint, he's only a detriment when he's not playing. So for a person who puts up the numbers he does, why was it such a kill shot to the team when he got hurt? It's about W's and L. When he's on, we win and if he's not, there isn't a soul on Earth that can.

 

[mastermind]

Im not going to go in on a dude who is coming back from an ACL injury.

If Rose comes back this season and struggles, I want the same people shytting on Rubio now to shyt on Rose as well.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

But here's the funny thing though. He was everything you said he was, yet we were winning for the first time in YEARS. That's all I care about. I don't care how it gets done as long as it gets done, and nobody was getting it done until he and Adelman got here. If I wanted ungodly statistics, well, shyt this team has that too in Kevin Love. I'm more worried about the wins and losses. From that standpoint, he's only a detriment when he's not playing. So for a person who puts up the numbers he does, why was it such a kill shot to the team when he got hurt? It's about W's and L. When he's on, we win and if he's not, there isn't a soul on Earth that can.

See: Honeymoon period.

A span of 41 games hitting at around .500 isn't nearly long enough to be cashing in that franchise check. They were coming down off that initial high that Rubio brought to the team + the absence of a closer finally caught up to them in the latter stages of the season (and the grind of the season). They held their own against playoff teams when Rubio was injured but couldn't manage to stay afloat in 4th quarters. You really think that Rubio could put up the same pedestrian #s season in, season out (as the leader) and you'd be making any progress in being contenders?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Im not going to go in on a dude who is coming back from an ACL injury.

If Rose comes back this season and struggles, I want the same people shytting on Rubio now to shyt on Rose as well.

Like Rose is gonna come back and put up '1 made field goal per 22 mins over 14 games, 4 points per game on 24% shooting' to the equivalence of what he's capable of?

 

[mastermind]

Like Rose is gonna come back and put up '1 made field goal per 22 mins over 14 games, 4 points per game on 24% shooting' to the equivalence of what he's capable of?

Like what the definition of Rose struggling is the same as Rubio struggling.

 

[tremonthustler1]

See: Honeymoon period.

A span of 41 games hitting at around .500 isn't nearly long enough to be cashing in that franchise check. They were coming down off that initial high that Rubio brought to the team + the absence of a closer finally caught up to them in the latter stages of the season (and the grind of the season). They held their own against playoff teams when Rubio was injured but couldn't manage to stay afloat in 4th quarters. You really think that Rubio could put up the same pedestrian #s season in, season out (as the leader) and you'd be making any progress in being contenders?

I'm also factoring in the games he didn't play. Otherwise, what's the excuse for being so bad without him? After Ricky went down Love played some of the best basketball he ever played. He had a 50 point game against OKC and was averaging about 30 points a game that month. Yet, in your words, they had no closer. See how weird that is? It's not a conventionally built team.

I'd only doubt what Ricky can do if they can't win games with him doing that (to clarify, his assist and steals numbers are not pedestrian, and defensively he was very good. His main weakness is scoring). If they can't win with him playing at the rate I think he can, then they can't win, and if they can't win, I question whether they'll ever be able to win again going forward. (and before someone says, oh don't be so dramatic, more teams make the playoffs than not, and they haven't made it in 9 years-- incl. this year. Love's got a foot out the door and the coaching /mgmt is in flux once that domino falls. They have no luck and they couldn't offer an high level exec spot to any of you guys if they could. To question what will happen to this squad if there is one if this doesn't work is extremely legitimate.)

 

[Reggie]

I didn't expect him to come back and be the same player but it's obvious that he can't score and he has no confidence in his shot whatsoever. He's definitely gonna have to work on that to reach his full potential.

 

[23Barrettcity]

Obviously conditioning helps prevent injury however certain injuries like breaking your foot or tearing your ACL can just be freak injuries. They finally beat the Pistons because the team as a whole was good enought to beat them. at core strength being the key to a title.

Being in shape does help prevent injury though so why are you arguing ? Yes you can't prevent freak injuries though but you can help prevent the risk of wear and tear injuries . But just being muscled doesn't mean your in great basketball shape . You need to train the right areas and in the right way look at amare came in 12 pounds heavier all muscle and couldn't jump for shyt . He lost the muscle when he slimmed down he was a different player

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I'm also factoring in the games he didn't play. Otherwise, what's the excuse for being so bad without him? After Ricky went down Love played some of the best basketball he ever played. He had a 50 point game against OKC and was averaging about 30 points a game that month. Yet, in your words, they had no closer. See how weird that is? It's not a conventionally built team.

I'd only doubt what Ricky can do if they can't win games with him doing that (to clarify, his assist and steals numbers are not pedestrian, and defensively he was very good. His main weakness is scoring). If they can't win with him playing at the rate I think he can, then they can't win, and if they can't win, I question whether they'll ever be able to win again going forward. (and before someone says, oh don't be so dramatic, more teams make the playoffs than not, and they haven't made it in 9 years-- incl. this year. Love's got a foot out the door and the coaching /mgmt is in flux once that domino falls. They have no luck and they couldn't offer an high level exec spot to any of you guys if they could. To question what will happen to this squad if there is one if this doesn't work is extremely legitimate.)

That's exactly my point, the fact that they had to rely upon a 4 (as the go-to-player) who can't consistently create for himself is eventually gonna be a problem. It was less Rubio's absence as the root to them falling off, and more how they were structured and the unpredictability (that he was partly responsible for) of their play and the high that came with it. The league would've eventually caught up: similar situation but not parallel to Jeremy Lin last season. Weaknesses over time all get exposed in the league, especially ones that are surface deep.

His overall #s for a franchise player are pedestrian, especially when the PG needs to be an elite scorer for this shyt to have any practical success. My point is - I just can't genuinely see any makings of a happy ending going down the path with Rubio leading the way.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Like what the definition of Rose struggling is the same as Rubio struggling.

I said to the EQUIVALENCE.

 

[mastermind]

I said to the EQUIVALENCE.

Idk, 20 and shooting 40%

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Idk, 20 and shooting 40%

That's not equivalent to what Rubio is producing right now.

 

[mastermind]

That's not equivalent to what Rubio is producing right now.

I never said equivalent, you did. I said if/when Rose struggles.