We are hiring people at $60/hr after taking a 4 month course...:wow:

[Jimmy Two-Times™]

..The game done changed brehs....the whole HR recruitment game done changed brehs.....Cats that never did web development or even went to school for it are taking 16 week courses and when they are done, recruiters are submitting them at $60 an hour.....

Its a good time to get in the game brehs...Im interviewing two females tomorrow.

Im bringing in a cac, next week in at $93/hr because we need .NET with Autocad experience......

shyt is brazy

What career is it that you do or hire for? You're somewhat vague.

What 16 week course are people doing that recruiters pay that much money for?

I wanted to go back to study this fall for to begin a BSc in Computer Science with career aspirations to get into cyber security (probably penetration testing). But, if there are courses to get certified that employers are craving for it would help if you could let me know.

Let me know what it is you were talking about in more depth, breh.

 

[Silver Surfer]

What career is it that you do or hire for? You're somewhat vague.

What 16 week course are people doing that recruiters pay that much money for?

I wanted to go back to study this fall for to begin a BSc in Computer Science with career aspirations to get into cyber security (probably penetration testing). But, if there are courses to get certified that employers are craving for it would help if you could let me know.

Let me know what it is you were talking about in more depth, breh.

Google "general assembly bootcamp"

 

[Freedman]

Google "general assembly bootcamp"

Any particular reason you would advocate for 900+ dollars courses from these guys over say Udemy/Coursera/etc.... Hell I'm learning Angular right now from free youtube videos

 

[Silver Surfer]

Any particular reason you would advocate for 900+ dollars courses from these guys over say Udemy/Coursera/etc.... Hell I'm learning Angular right now from free youtube videos

Well for one...they vouch for you and do placements....you in your own...and it's an uphill battle to get in the door off the street...its still possible

 

[Jimmy Two-Times™]

Google "general assembly bootcamp"

I already did my Googles yesterday though, but thanks.

This thread got me really hopeful but by just doing a little research I think that taking the time off from work to learn a new trade full time for 2-3 years would be more efficient (*for me) in achieving my goals. Going to university and putting in the time to learn the concepts behind what makes a technology work is more efficient and practical as opposed to superficially learning how to do something but not knowing why fully.

If you are going to learn something new you might as well put in all the time because at the end of the day it's your life and your career at steak.

In the big scheme of things in a field/career you expect to stay in for the long-term what is 3-6 months vs 2-3 years really? It would feel like a blink of an eye like everything else in life -- that's nothing.

Also, who knows how coding bootcamps will be recognised academically or respected by employers in a decade's time. It could all potentially be for nothing if you see coding bootcamps as alternative to an academic route then get rejected by the big paying companies because you don't have what they are looking for just for snobbery reasons and for that you won't even get a look in.

TL:DR
There's no way you could go from novice to adept in the span of 3-6 months with little to zero experience without being somewhat well versed in the concepts of coding beforehand through literally any means of study.

I think that coding bootcamps are good if you need a refresher course in something that you do already, or to improve your knowledge base from a novice foundation you've already acquired beforehand which I have neither.

Any particular reason you would advocate for 900 dollars courses from these guys over say Udemy/Coursera/etc.... Hell I'm learning Angular now from free youtube videos

Exactly.

For what it seems like these bootcamp courses are just unregulated crash courses by random people who may or may not be experts in their field or even good teachers for that matter.

This "quick fix" career lost me when they said it doesn't even hold as much prestige as some employers expect from a brick and mortar academic institution, employers will just overlook you just by snobbery.

I think that I'll just go the longer route with the brick and mortar university. I really wanted coding bootcamps to be more respected but I can't take the risk when 2-3 years isn't that long either in all reality.

 

[Freedman]

I already did my Googles yesterday though, but thanks.

This thread got me really hopeful but by just doing a little research I think that taking the time off from work to learn a new trade full time for 2-3 years would be more efficient (*for me) in achieving my goals. Going to university and putting in the time to learn the concepts behind what makes a technology work is more efficient and practical as opposed to superficially learning how to do something but not knowing why fully.

If you are going to learn something new you might as well put in all the time because at the end of the day it's your life and your career at steak.

In the big scheme of things in a field/career you expect to stay in for the long-term what is 3-6 months vs 2-3 years really? It would feel like a blink of an eye like everything else in life -- that's nothing.

Also, who knows how coding bootcamps will be recognised academically or respected by employers in a decade's time. It could all potentially be for nothing if you see coding bootcamps as alternative to an academic route then get rejected by the big paying companies because you don't have what they are looking for just for snobbery reasons and for that you won't even get a look in.

TL:DR
There's no way you could go from novice to adept in the span of 3-6 months with little to zero experience without being somewhat well versed in the concepts of coding beforehand through literally any means of study.

I think that coding bootcamps are good if you need a refresher course in something that you do already, or to improve your knowledge base from a novice foundation you've already acquired beforehand which I have neither.


Exactly.

For what it seems like these bootcamp courses are just unregulated crash courses by random people who may or may not be experts in their field or even good teachers for that matter.

This "quick fix" career lost me when they said it doesn't even hold as much prestige as some employers expect from a brick and mortar academic institution, employers will just overlook you just by snobbery.

I think that I'll just go the longer route with the brick and mortar university. I really wanted coding bootcamps to be more respected but I can't take the risk when 2-3 years isn't that long either in all reality.

Like he said the allure to these boot camps is that if you are in a tech hub like Cali or major city they probably have connections to get you interviews/placed at a company. That being said whether boot camp or Uni be prepared to invest a lot of your own time and energy into learning and getting good at it. Currently majoring in CompSci and youtube has been my biggest friend because some of my professors have been down right awful. Maybe one good one I would vouch for the but rest have been old Indian men yelling at us that we are all entitled/spoiled/just want handouts without working etc lol or if we had questions that it's something we should have learned in our Intro CS classes. And my personal favorite is that They are here to teach us to be Computer Scientist not Software Engineers/Web Developers

 

[Silver Surfer]

I got a developer on my team that this time 18 months ago he was a damn flite attendant for Delta.....now I got this CAC writing web services and deploying to the cloud.....

 

[Jimmy Two-Times™]

Like he said the allure to these boot camps is that if you are in a tech hub like Cali or major city they probably have connections to get you interviews/placed at a company. That being said whether boot camp or Uni be prepared to invest a lot of your own time and energy into learning and getting good at it. Currently majoring in CompSci and youtube has been my biggest friend because some of my professors have been down right awful. Maybe one good one I would vouch for the but rest have been old Indian men yelling at us that we are all entitled/spoiled/just want handouts without working etc lol or if we had questions that it's something we should have learned in our Intro CS classes. And my personal favorite is that They are here to teach us to be Computer Scientist not Software Engineers/Web Developers

I'm still on the fence about it. It's the prestige bit that turns me off. so I'll just pay a little more and study in a real uni just to be on the safe side. I can't take the risk and money is tight at the moment.


But yeah, I personally hate teachers that don't care. That's apart of the reason why I was (and still somewhat) contemplating going the distance learning route because you kill two birds with one stone. For one it's cheaper than going to a traditional brick and mortar uni like a coding bootcamp but offers the same prestige as a brick and mortar institution probably on the same level as going to an ex-poly uni or just below prestige-wise.

All they do is read from the syllabus' text books verbatim and point to the board with an interactive red dot pen like that means shyt. No breakdowns of nothing and harping on simple things then rushes the final part of the module.

Before I dropped out of uni I didn't know shyt I was so lost and didn't prepare at all. I was pressured into going back to uni by my family which didn't give me a chance to figure out a career path let alone feel like I was capable of doing the course. The lecturers were of no help too they honestly get paid to do nothing. I had one lecturer that would always come in late or just bail altogether.

This time I'm prepared with Udemy and YouTube like yourself. In London I've even found *free coding bootcamps that I'm about to apply to.

 

[BornStar]

I got a developer on my team that this time 18 months ago he was a damn flite attendant for Delta.....now I got this CAC writing web services and deploying to the cloud.....

Is this opportunity in the OP still available?

What do I need to know?

How long will it take?

Is there any certain location I need to be?

 

[Jimmy Two-Times™]

Is this opportunity in the OP still available?

What do I need to know?

How long will it take?

Is there any certain location I need to be?

Read my posts because I asked tha same question.

 

[TheAnointedOne]

fukk development, go into security.

explain

 

[Kwabena]

$60/hr for someone with 4 months of experience is laughable

 

[Silver Surfer]

$60/hr for someone with 4 months of experience is laughable

You obviously never been a contractor before

 

[Software]

You obviously never been a contractor before

Contractors

 

[ecnirp1]

Larger tech companies are almost always hiring boot-campers for rotational roles and seeking out devs/engineers from non-traditional work & education backgrounds.

Really bad advice being given in this thread.