We Play Primetime Games During the Day:2025 Legendary Cleveland Browns Thread

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

When Dillon threw a pick 6 yall haters were calling it a team interception instead of putting on Gabriel. Cut it out. Beside it's just preseason remember. Yall used that excuse the other week for Dillon too.

With that said.. The change in play calling and poor blocking on the online from 4th stringers is just facts. Cant do an apples to apples comparison based on things outside shaduers control. Let him get some reps with the 1s and 2s if you want to compare.

Dude literally got overwhelmed against 3rd stringers and players fighting for their jobs, yet you think he'll actually perform better being on the field against 1s and 2s

Everybody QB out there yesterday was playing on the same playing field.

 

[Big Boss]

Some of these takes are just ridiculous, clearly bias in Shadeur's favor and not accepting the reality of the situation. Shadeur had his welcome to the NFL moment yesterday and that is okay. The reason why Flacco and Dillion looked better is because they understand the offense scheme better and know how to execute it. That's it and nothing more. Sanders was with 3rd stringers going against the Rams 3rd stringers. Everyone was on the same playing level and being evaluated because players are fighting for jobs. No coach is literally going sabotage a segment of play calling just to hamper one player. His bad habits that were an issue prior to the draft showed up again. Nothing else to conspire about. Shadeur has to trust the pocket more and be quicker with his reads and this could been the best lesson he got in the NFL so far.

The Browns literally changed their offense last year to accommodate a player (DW4) and it was a sh1t show. They are going back to Kevin's scheme and every QB needs to learn and execute it. Even Huntley was able to work with it and he's not going to be on the team. This was just a case of a rookie struggling in a game and we should not panic about it. As long he learns for it and gets better, this is a non-story in real life.

Facts

 

[Nigerianwonder]

Dude literally got overwhelmed against 3rd stringers and players fighting for their jobs, yet you think he'll actually perform better being on the field against 1s and 2s

Everybody QB out there yesterday was playing on the same playing field.

So how do you explain his oline collapsing every play and no receivers being open?

When you watched the game you really thought the browns 3rd and 4th stringers online played well? If you believe that then you simply don't know football or didnt watch the game.

They collectively played terrible but it wasnt an equal playing field with regard to the oline and play calling period. Rams qb didn't look good either. But thats to be expected with the talent the qbs had to work with that were 4th stringers and walk ons.

 

[IIVI]

The sack here at the play around 0:55 is far more concerning than the 24 yard sack. The fact dude’s wants to drop back and got the habit/instinct to keep dropping back rather than get more creative with movement and work pocket angles is really concerning.

Dillon definitely has a better innate feel of keeping offensive linemen between him and the defense and moves more creatively/effectively in the pocket which gives the defense less angles at him.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Some of these takes are just ridiculous, clearly bias in Shadeur's favor and not accepting the reality of the situation. Shadeur had his welcome to the NFL moment yesterday and that is okay. The reason why Flacco and Dillion looked better is because they understand the offense scheme better and know how to execute it. That's it and nothing more. Sanders was with 3rd stringers going against the Rams 3rd stringers. Everyone was on the same playing level and being evaluated because players are fighting for jobs. No coach is literally going sabotage a segment of play calling just to hamper one player. His bad habits that were an issue prior to the draft showed up again. Nothing else to conspire about. Shadeur has to trust the pocket more and be quicker with his reads and this could been the best lesson he got in the NFL so far.

The Browns literally changed their offense last year to accommodate a player (DW4) and it was a sh1t show. They are going back to Kevin's scheme and every QB needs to learn and execute it. Even Huntley was able to work with it and he's not going to be on the team. This was just a case of a rookie struggling in a game and we should not panic about it. As long he learns for it and gets better, this is a non-story in real life.

Not the same players or plays

This wasn’t an issue against Carolina. Shedeur played with people who are all going to get cut.

Shedeur was put in a position where he had to make big plays every snap. If he would’ve went out and threw a bunch of check downs, the narrative would’ve been he doesn’t make plays. Again, he was in a no win situation. He never got first team reps and barely got second team. And if Kenny Pickett woudn’t have gotten hurt, he would’ve gotten less playing time.

The Browns traded for Pickett, then they drafted Gabriel in the third round. Sanders was always the odd man out and was never going to get enough opportunities. The fact that he was the 3rd one to come in game in the last preseason game shows nothing he did was going to move the needle.

 

[IIVI]

The Draft Buzz breakdown on Dillon was honestly dead-on accurate. The height and hand size are mainly the only issues. Dude was going to be tough competition.

The Hawaiian southpaw's journey from UCF to Oklahoma to Oregon speaks volumes about his adaptability and football IQ. A three-star recruit out of Mililani High School, Gabriel followed in his father's footsteps as a collegiate quarterback, ultimately shattering records across multiple Power 5 programs. His 2024 campaign with Oregon proved to be his finest hour, leading the Ducks to an undefeated regular season and earning a trip to New York as a Heisman finalist.

Gabriel's evolution as a passer has been remarkable, particularly in his ability to command different offensive systems. His 73.2% completion percentage in 2024 ranked second nationally, while his 166.57 passer efficiency rating placed him seventh among FBS quarterbacks. Perhaps most impressive is his durability and experience - Gabriel started an FBS-record 63 games, amassing 18,722 career passing yards and 155 touchdown passes along the way.

The numbers tell one story, but the film reveals a cerebral quarterback who's mastered the nuances of the position. Despite lacking prototypical NFL size at 6'0" and 200 pounds, Gabriel's processed the game at an elite level across three different Power 5 programs, showing particular growth in his final season at Oregon.

SCOUTING REPORT: STRENGTHS​

• Exceptional pre-snap awareness and post-snap processing - consistently identifies safety rotations and leverages them for explosive plays downfield, particularly evident in Oregon's win over Maryland
• Natural feel for throwing with anticipation on boundary routes - consistently hits receivers in stride on out-breaking patterns, allowing for maximized YAC opportunities
• Displays excellent pocket mobility and spatial awareness - shows rare ability to climb the pocket while maintaining downfield focus, especially under pressure
• Elite ball placement on intermediate throws between 10-19 yards - demonstrates consistent accuracy and touch when attacking the horizontal areas of the field
• Quick, compact release with consistent mechanics - generates good velocity despite smaller frame, particularly effective on timing routes
• Proven ability to execute multiple offensive systems - has shown mastery of spread, Air Raid, and pro-style concepts across three programs
• Outstanding situational awareness - routinely makes smart decisions in two-minute drills and critical downs, exemplified in Oregon's game-winning drive against Boise State
• Natural leadership qualities and high football character - took command of three different locker rooms and elevated team performance at each stop

SCOUTING REPORT: WEAKNESSES​

• Severely undersized for the position - significantly below NFL thresholds in both height and weight
• Limited arm length impacts ability to drive balls outside the numbers
• Small hands raise major concerns for ball security and grip strength - could be particularly problematic in cold weather games
• Subpar athletic testing raises concerns - lacks explosive traits to consistently create outside structure
• Struggles finding throwing lanes over the middle - limitations become apparent when working between the hashes
• Physical limitations could significantly cap NFL ceiling - bottom-tier measurables across the board may restrict scheme fits at next level

SCOUTING REPORT: SUMMARY​

Let's be real - the measurables are rough. Bottom-tier numbers across the board in height, weight, arm length, and wingspan isn't what you're looking for in an NFL quarterback. But after grinding his Oregon tape, particularly the Maryland and Boise State games, there's something here that transcends the testing. Gabriel's ability to process information pre-snap and manipulate defenders with his eyes stands out in ways that matter for Sunday football.

His NFL path is narrow but clear: he needs a system built around quick game concepts where his processing speed and release can shine. The testing confirms what the tape shows - he's not a creator outside structure, but his pocket movement skills are more than adequate for working within the scheme. Teams in cold weather cities will need to think hard about how his small hands might affect ball security and grip in adverse conditions. A timing-based offense that uses play-action and designed rollouts to create throwing lanes could maximize his strengths while protecting him from his physical limitations, but the weather factor can't be ignored in his evaluation.

The cold reality is that Gabriel's measurables will drop him down boards - you can't teach size and his athletic testing doesn't make up for it. But for teams running quick-strike offenses looking for a cerebral backup who can operate their system, he offers Day 3 value. The mental traits and proven production across multiple systems suggest a quarterback who could outperform his draft slot in the right situation, even if his physical ceiling is clearly capped.

 

[Nigerianwonder]

The sack here at the play around 0:55 is far more concerning than the 24 yard sack. The fact dude’s wants to drop back and got the habit/instinct to keep dropping back rather than get more creative with movement and work pocket angles is really concerning.

Dillon definitely has a better innate feel of keeping offensive linemen between him and the defense and moves more creatively/effectively in the pocket which gives the defense less angles at him.

This is disenginuous. Dillon was out there with the 1s and 2s getting max protection and simple short yardage dump off throws. Plus Football isn't played in the vacuum. What happened before this play matters. Yes the oline held up on this one play and he should have stepped into the pocket. However he could not trust the pocket would hold cause on every play before that the pocket collapsed on him. But even if he stepped up in the pocket he would have had to throw the ball away at soemone's feet and yall would criticize him for playing too safe, not being accurate, or not trying to make a play even if there wasn't one to be made. So making the right call to throw it away every time the pocket collapsed with no receivers open would have had him 1/10 on completions or something like that and still get criticized.

Shedeur was put in a position where he had to make big plays every snap. If he would’ve went out and threw a bunch of check downs, the narrative would’ve been he doesn’t make plays. Again, he was in a no win situation. He never got first team reps and barely got second team.

Yep. You see it. The reason why folks were so impressed after the carolina game was cause he succeeded despite being setup to fail that game as well. Dillon had simple set scripted plays during that carolina game while shaduer was kinda just thrown out there to the wolves but somehow pulled it off and made plays happen.

 

[phillycavsfan]

This is disenginuous. Dillon was out there with the 1s and 2s getting max protection and simple short yardage dump off throws. Plus Football isn't played in the vacuum. What happened before this play matters. Yes the oline held up on this one play and he should have stepped into the pocket. However he could not trust the pocket would hold cause on every play before that the pocket collapsed on him. But even if he stepped up in the pocket he would have had to throw the ball away at soemone's feet and yall would criticize him for playing too safe, not being accurate, or not trying to make a play even if there wasn't one to be made. So making the right call to throw it away every time the pocket collapsed with no receivers open would have had him 1/10 on completions or something like that and still get criticized.



Yep. You see it. The reason why folks were so impressed after the carolina game was cause he succeeded despite being setup to fail that game as well. Dillon had simple set scripted plays during that carolina game while shaduer was kinda just thrown out there to the wolves but somehow pulled it off and made plays happen.

For the life of me I can't understand why folks are going to the mattresses for such a mediocre QB. It's not like we don't already have several good and great black QBs in the league already. Hell we had one drafted first overall. What's so special about Shedeur besides being Prime's son?

 

[Blessings]

We got Amazon warehouse workers who think they know more than former NFL players.

Shedeur is a casualty of the business of football…

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

This is disenginuous. Dillon was out there with the 1s and 2s getting max protection and simple short yardage dump off throws. Plus Football isn't played in the vacuum. What happened before this play matters. Yes the oline held up on this one play and he should have stepped into the pocket. However he could not trust the pocket would hold cause on every play before that the pocket collapsed on him. But even if he stepped up in the pocket he would have had to throw the ball away at soemone's feet and yall would criticize him for playing too safe, not being accurate, or not trying to make a play even if there wasn't one to be made. So making the right call to throw it away every time the pocket collapsed with no receivers open would have had him 1/10 on completions or something like that and still get criticized.



Yep. You see it. The reason why folks were so impressed after the carolina game was cause he succeeded despite being setup to fail that game as well. Dillon had simple set scripted plays during that carolina game while shaduer was kinda just thrown out there to the wolves but somehow pulled it off and made plays happen.

it all goes back to practice. they never treated him like it was an open competition. and it was like that for all of training camp. And I also think the coach wanted Gabriel, but the GM wanted Sanders. Sanders is like the the person who got invited to a couples dinner with friends and nobody told him to bring a date. So he's the only one solo and everyone is there with someone.

At the end of the day, it comes down if if a coach wanted to work with him, and the browns coach clearly doesn't.

 

[Big Boss]

For the life of me I can't understand why folks are going to the mattresses for such a mediocre QB. It's not like we don't already have several good and great black QBs in the league already. Hell we had one drafted first overall. What's so special about Shedeur besides being Prime's son?

Celebrity worship is a disease

 

[In The Zone '98]

For the life of me I can't understand why folks are going to the mattresses for such a mediocre QB. It's not like we don't already have several good and great black QBs in the league already. Hell we had one drafted first overall. What's so special about Shedeur besides being Prime's son?

Disingenuous. The Browns QB1 is 41

Why wouldn't folks want to see the young boi play

 

[phillycavsfan]

We got Amazon warehouse workers who think they know more than former NFL players.

Shedeur is a casualty of the business of football…

Shedeur outplays Dillon: "well obviously Shedeur is the better QB"

Dillon outplays Shedeur: "it's rigged"

Meanwhile none of these fools are at Browns training camp. There is absolutely no way they can be convinced Shedeur is falling short.

 

[phillycavsfan]

Disingenuous. The Browns QB1 is 41

Why wouldn't folks want to see the young boi play

Why are you so desperate to want some rich kid's hand held? I want more black QBs in the league, but I want them to be good and earn their spot. Shedeur is not good right now and has not earned it.

 

[L. Deezy]

The sack here at the play around 0:55 is far more concerning than the 24 yard sack. The fact dude’s wants to drop back and got the habit/instinct to keep dropping back rather than get more creative with movement and work pocket angles is really concerning.

Dillon definitely has a better innate feel of keeping offensive linemen between him and the defense and moves more creatively/effectively in the pocket which gives the defense less angles at him.

Good breakdown.. got a ton of conspiracy theories in here when all u gotta do is look at the tape