Wealthy cacs in NYC rant against bringing more blacks into schools

[Clay Puppington]

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That's crazy fam...I was hanging with a shorty who works in some type of law field (forget the specifics) and she had mad stories like this...people getting fukked just for their position + the NYC "justice" system

I'll never forget - I was in a sociology class and proffesor was talking about how they give us bullshyt tickets and summons like spitting on the sidewalk, stop and frisk etc. This white girl was like "nah...they don't do that...there's no way" genuinely shocked such a wild disconnect.

 

[ImGucci]

That’s a straight up lie b. There are a lot of black people in the UWS of all ethnicities. Everyone wants to act like there isn’t, especially those who benefit from them being gone.

Where in the uws are black people in huge numbers? I live in nyc.

Uws is Colombia territory , or high income people. There ain’t many black people there. That area is mostly white.
Even the part of Harlem next to it has been gentrified, there’s a lot of white people on that side also.

 

[Rawtid]

Keep the black kids in the shyttiest schools with little hope for a decent education, then complain about black schools not performing as well as the other schools. Then throw an entitled over privileged cac bytch fit when some black kids might get a chance to get a real education at a top school. Thus keeping the blacks kids in the worst schools. Never ending cycle.

fukk cacs.

Right! The layers of oppression we have to face is overwhelming.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

The question is though:

Is this about increasing diversity in the Upper West Side or helping disadvantaged students who score below grade level? If it's the latter, why not focus on improving the level of education, teaching and funding in the areas they live in? Why do I have to journey to a white neighborhood to receive the same quality of education that they're receiving?

On the flipside, it's rather telling that promoting 'diversity' means having a quota for students who are not making the requisite grades.

What you’re saying sounds good in practice but the main way school is funded is through property taxes

So the reality is that desegregation is necessary

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

My children are home schooled.

Can’t be mad at the parents, neither. If someone were to force me to bring a child into my home that underperformed or risked my children’s quality of education, I would be opposed to it too. Fix the schools that the children are underperforming in first. Fix the broken homes, too.

How very conservative of you

Sad that you think this is a problack argument

 

[Pimp]

I'd be pissed too if we are being honest. As would most of you if you had kids in that school. 25% will have a negative impact on the rest of the kids.
If these kids had good grades, I would've supported this move.

You're allowed to be selfish when it comes to your kids.

Wrong. This gives uppity kids a chance to work with people in need. This can actually be great.

 

[September]

You know that doesn’t mean they live there or their kids go to school there right?
You see a lot of black people all over Manhattan that doesn’t mean they live there
Why are you arguing this the numbers support me?

I don’t see A LOT of black people all over the city. I’m not all over the city. I’m in the UWS. To put it bluntly, fukk your numbers. There are many black people here. Saying otherwise is erasing their existence because if you pretend they’re not there, you don’t have to worry about their issues. I walk home from the B/C train and pass black ass people chilling in their cribs literally all the time. I frequent businesses (you know, since I live here) and see black people literally all the time, everyday. Chilling and living and existing.

Where in the uws are black people in huge numbers? I live in nyc.

Uws is Colombia territory , or high income people. There ain’t many black people there. That area is mostly white.
Even the part of Harlem next to it has been gentrified, there’s a lot of white people on that side also.

All of Harlem is being gentrified. White people are infiltrating everwhere. Columbia is on the edge UWS/Harlem

Literally the first thing that I noticed when I first moved here were all the black/Latino people and how painful the constant gentrification of their neighborhood has to be. Especially cause most have more than likely been living here for ages.

But this why discussion can be great. Both of these responses made me realize how invisible this large group of people dead smack in one of the most affluent neighborhoods in Manhattan really is.

Now I’m wanting to make a summer project to interview (on video) black and Latinos that live here about the changing demographics and how they feel about being considered the minority in their own neighborhood by outsiders. No one thinks poor/working class minorities when they think UWS so this could be a good project if I remember and stick with it.

 

[Rell Lauren]

That’s a straight up lie b. There are a lot of black people in the UWS of all ethnicities. Everyone wants to act like there isn’t, especially those who benefit from them being gone.

This simply isn't true. I'm in the UWS regularly because my aunt lives up there. There along with the UES are among the whitest enclaves in the city.

With that said, this is a situation where you can easily play devil's advocate. There is a lot of segregation in NYC from neighborhoods to schools. However, parents have the right to act in their child's best interest. 25% is not a small number and in addition to their academic problems, they will also bring whatever issues they may also have (behavioral and social). They will quickly burden the school and impact other students.

This is not solely a racial problem. Charter schools have grown in popularity among Black parents because regular schools aren't cutting it when it comes to academics and reigning in problematic students.

 

[Pazzy]

The real question is how many of these folks moved into the neighborhood within the last 5 years by choice vs the ones that always been there. Never understood how transplants want to take over a neighborhood and expect others to cater or pander to them and only them alone. Also says a lot about to school system when schools within the same certain neighborhoods vary performance wide due to the demographics of its students. Something most definitely is wrong there. Then again, it's quite common to see the level of inequality economic wise in NYC which is always tried to segregation and racism which is nothing new and has always happened. So many condos and penthouses across the street from housing projects and even homeless shelters. Just shameful and disgraceful. Can't say that shyt isn't set up to be that way. All these people wanna bring their uppity suburban values into the inner city forgetting that they aren't in the suburbs. Might as well stay where youre at or move to somewhere else that holds your way of living.

 

[Depreciating Asset]

Is this going to help those kids test scores get better? And how so?





https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...yth-most-trump-voters-were-not-working-class/

Yes. It probably will.

"On average, students in socioeconomically and racially diverse schools—regardless of a student’s own economic status—have stronger academic outcomes than students in schools with concentrated poverty."

The Benefits of Socioeconomically and Racially Integrated Schools and Classrooms

 

[Absolut]

Wrong. This gives uppity kids a chance to work with people in need. This can actually be great.

25% of students being under qualified is a joke. Get the best 10% or something. No need for a quarter of the school to be under qualified with shytty grades

 

[BigMan]

I don’t see A LOT of black people all over the city. I’m not all over the city. I’m in the UWS. To put it bluntly, fukk your numbers. There are many black people here. Saying otherwise is erasing their existence because if you pretend they’re not there, you don’t have to worry about their issues. I walk home from the B/C train and pass black ass people chilling in their cribs literally all the time. I frequent businesses (you know, since I live here) and see black people literally all the time, everyday. Chilling and living and existing.




All of Harlem is being gentrified. White people are infiltrating everwhere. Columbia is on the edge UWS/Harlem

Literally the first thing that I noticed when I first moved here were all the black/Latino people and how painful the constant gentrification of their neighborhood has to be. Especially cause most have more than likely been living here for ages.

But this why discussion can be great. Both of these responses made me realize how invisible this large group of people dead smack in one of the most affluent neighborhoods in Manhattan really is.

Now I’m wanting to make a summer project to interview (on video) black and Latinos that live here about the changing demographics and how they feel about being considered the minority in their own neighborhood by outsiders. No one thinks poor/working class minorities when they think UWS so this could be a good project if I remember and stick with it.

Regaardkess of your feelings, the black population of the Upper West Side is small and nothing you say will change that fact

 

[Depreciating Asset]

It’s sad that y’all corealate low scoring 25%... to black kids automatically...

Well it is America. Given the disproportionate quality of education in the last 150 years between whites and blacks and the racism which has permeated every facet of American life since 1619, it is not a ridiculous presumption that black children have lower test scores than nonblack students. Saying that in no way says that black children are any less able to achieve but that the forces around them have led to a situation in which they are likely perform worse than their peers.

 

[UncleTomFord15]

has to be the dumbest shyt I ever seen. Why tf would I send my kids to school where 25% of the kids there are underqualified

 

[BigMan]

The real question is how many of these folks moved into the neighborhood within the last 5 years by choice vs the ones that always been there. Never understood how transplants want to take over a neighborhood and expect others to cater or pander to them and only them alone. Also says a lot about to school system when schools within the same certain neighborhoods vary performance wide due to the demographics of its students. Something most definitely is wrong there. Then again, it's quite common to see the level of inequality economic wise in NYC which is always tried to segregation and racism which is nothing new and has always happened. So many condos and penthouses across the street from housing projects and even homeless shelters. Just shameful and disgraceful. Can't say that shyt isn't set up to be that way. All these people wanna bring their uppity suburban values into the inner city forgetting that they aren't in the suburbs. Might as well stay where youre at or move to somewhere else that holds your way of living.

UWS has always been upper class