Wealthy cacs in NYC rant against bringing more blacks into schools

[BigMan]

I looked up the name "San Juan Hill" today but knew that UWS had a historical black population and that up until the 80s the UWS had a significant working and lower middle class population. My uncle lived on the border of the UWS and Harlem since the early 80's so I've heard quite a bit about this topic.

at no point did i say UWS had no black people i said the populaiton is small and its traditionally been a white / wealthy area. the UWS is from the W 50s up to harlem so yall talking about certain parts of it doesn't dispute my point

 

[Absolut]

Isn't the point of school to improve the level of the students? If the school takes in already high scoring students and then at the end of it pumps out high scoring students then what is the point? If the school has any value and has believes it has a system that helps children learn then it should be able to pull those under-performing kids up.

Sure is. That’s why you don’t let in a quarter of the school as being underqualified. That many folks needing to be pandered to in order to keep up is a detriment to the other 75% of the school. That’s the reason virtually every school in the country separates AP courses from your average remedial student. Putting them together drags and holds everyone else back

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

at no point did i say UWS had no black people i said the populaiton is small and its traditionally been a white / wealthy area. the UWS is from the W 50s up to harlem so yall talking about certain parts of it doesn't dispute my point

True. Going back to the thread though I don't understand why "underperforming" is being translated into "disturbed" in this thread. "Underperforming" as a label is based on standardized testing and does not have much to do with actual academic performance in a school, i.e. you can be a B student in an underfunded public school and not be able to pass the same standard examination that a C student at a well funded school passed. At the end of the day "underperforming" has more to do with being subjected to lower expectations (i.e. writing one one-page paper a week in your senior year of high school instead of two five-page papers a week) and having less access to honors courses and I.B. tracks.

Underperforming doesn't mean that you're on track to drop out nor does it mean you have behavioral issues. Rich kids with behavioral issues get placed in "alternative" private schools where their misbehavior doesn't get them a one way ticket to the juvenile justice system. Hell, white kids in well funded public schools are rarely funneled into the system because nobody would allow law enforcement to insert themselves onto those campuses.

 

[superunknown23]

The new school chancellor supports the plan as does the major. It's a step in the right direction for the city

Yeah, he just took the job last month. He's a son of Mexican immigrants and now he's getting hate from conservatives and rich whites and asians for this tweet:

The previous Chancellor Carmen Fariña couldn't even utter the word "segregation" during her entire term

 

[superunknown23]

Those Upper West Side cacs would probably say "I'm not racist, I would've voted for Obama a third time."

 

[Roadside]

Sure is. That’s why you don’t let in a quarter of the school as being underqualified. That many folks needing to be pandered to in order to keep up is a detriment to the other 75% of the school. That’s the reason virtually every school in the country separates AP courses from your average remedial student. Putting them together drags and holds everyone else back

So whats the problem? If the school already is able to separate classes by ability then they should have no problem dealing with some slightly under performing students.

 

[Absolut]

So whats the problem? If the school already is able to separate classes by ability then they should have no problem dealing with some slightly under performing students.

The school they qualify for should be the one splitting up the students. Why should another school have to allocate a bunch of resources to cater to a quarter of the school being unqualified to be there

 

[Scholar]

Yeah, he just took the job last month. He's a son of Mexican immigrants and now he's getting hate from conservatives and rich whites and asians for this tweet:

The previous Chancellor Carmen Fariña couldn't even utter the word "segregation" during her entire term

Yeah he came from Houston I believe. I'm all for it. NYC schools are some of the most segregated in the country and the system sets up black students to fail

 

[Copy Ninja]

NYC? Mostly all white liberals

 

[Scholar]

Why not give the experience to children who are performing well already? If a child is scoring below standards, they need specialized assistance, not access to an entirely different school and environment.

Most children in NYC who are doing poorly attend shyt schools with few resources. Why not allow them to attend schools with tons of resources and where tons of money is put? Most of these schools on the UWS can provide specialized assistance since they have the money for it

 

[Rawtid]

Most children in NYC who are doing poorly attend shyt schools with few resources. Why not allow them to attend schools with tons of resources and where tons of money is put? Most of these schools on the UWS can provide specialized assistance since they have the money for it

They are underfunded becasue they are overcrowded. I say send the performing and over performing children to these white schools and let them be challenged. Let them be around the good resources and thrive in their education.

Neighborhood schools need to focus solely on the under performing, imo, because they have more needs. Under performing children need to be able to walk to the school to use the computers for homework or even attend tutoring if necessary. Social workers should be able to travel from the student's house to the school with ease to provide meals, clothing, or whatever else. They also don't need to try and learn in an environment that no one wants them in with teachers that don't look like them. You think some rich white teachers. They need neighborhood teachers and other adult resources that understand where they come from. I think this is a horrible idea and if I were the parents of that school, I'd be mad too.

 

[UberEatsDriver]

These are the same white folks in nyc when you meet them they will brag more than anybody about how diverse NYC and how much everyone’s gets along and how racist other places are lol.

They are cool with you as long as you are at a distance lol

 

[UberEatsDriver]

That’s a straight up lie b. There are a lot of black people in the UWS of all ethnicities. Everyone wants to act like there isn’t, especially those who benefit from them being gone.

Most of the black population in UWS are in the few public housing projects and upper parts of the area close to the Harlem boarder.

 

[UberEatsDriver]

MOST black people in the city live in Harlem and further uptown but there is still a very, very good amount of black people (including PR/DR) in the UWS.

There are many rent stabilized apts/affordable housing/project buildings in the UWS.

I pass by them literally all the time. They’re not even hidden. Some sit right along Columbus and Amsterdam Aves. There’s a fukking project building three blocks from Lincoln Center

Hell yea right up the block from my college lol

 

[UberEatsDriver]

Being that is in the Upper West Side Hispanics would probably benefit the most with that 25%