Wealthy cacs in NYC rant against bringing more blacks into schools

[Flywin Lannister]

These are bonafied Hillary supporters and donors…the same folks that were crying on election night.

The UWS/Hamptons vacationing/ Greenwich Connecticut living Limousine liberals are the worst

This is why Conservative and Liberal should be renamed so black people understand what those words really mean

It's not Conversative and Liberal Americans

No, it's Conservative and Liberal WHITE RICH Americans

And the level of conservatism and liberalism applies to things that happen in the worlds of white rich Americans.

Black people make the mistake of thinking 'oh Liberal means they like black people'. NO. It just means that they want their gay daughter to be able to be married (Liberal) or not (Conservative).

Most don't fukk with black people, some are open about it (Conservatives) and some are not (Liberals).

In most cases - this is how you should see Conservative vs Liberal.

 

[Flywin Lannister]

The question is though:

Is this about increasing diversity in the Upper West Side or helping disadvantaged students who score below grade level? If it's the latter, why not focus on improving the level of education, teaching and funding in the areas they live in? Why do I have to journey to a white neighborhood to receive the same quality of education that they're receiving?

On the flipside, it's rather telling that promoting 'diversity' means having a quota for students who are not making the requisite grades.

better to improve black schools, but honestly black kids are going to score lower generally since their social and economic situations are usually worse.

This leaves a bad taste in my mouth tho, don’t like seeing black intelligence put down.

"'Actually improving black schools.. that would give black children the same opportunities as white children..
That sounds like a terrible plan"
-all cacs with influence

Many people around the world wonder if black Americans ever get so tired of being a slave to the white man's decisions, that they are willing to change things for real e.g. start an actual Black Party.

This would require not being petty af and having strong, reputable leadership and to not have any infighting (at least to get it rolling - the Democrats and Republicans are a complete mess).

It doesn't help that many black women hate black men (I wish this was my opinion, this is a fact - we all know the 'black men ain't shyt' narrative from the septum ring sisters) and that many black men legally can't vote due to the racist system that imprisons black men - but slowly but surely black Americans will have to understand that politics is the only way to get change.

 

[Scholar]

I work in education law & labor law.

My last case as a prosecutor was a young black man from Fort Greene - where I grew up. He robbed a woman on her way to Brooklyn Hospital. Threw her down, took her Iphone.

Long story short, he was caught 15 minutes after police were called because he was in the lobby of Ingersol Projects and the phone had the "Find my Iphone app".

He couldn't take a lower plea because he had a criminal possession of a weapon conviction already so the lowest I was able to offer was 7 years.

Went to trial, got the conviction and on the sentencing date, the judge hit him w/ 10 years. His whole fukking 20s he'll be in. I had so many mixed feelings about the whole thing.

I looked over at the breh and NEVER in a condescending way, I looked at him to try to read him. He looked at me and no lie, it was like he knew I was asking "How did you get to this point?". He looked at me with a look and I knew he was saying, "I really don't know. I don't know."

After you get a trial conviction, everyone is congratulating you and high fiving and shyt... I never did that. No one wins in these situations in my perspective because I identified with almost every defendant that came into my case list.

I went into the bathroom and looked at myself and teared up a little - no shame. I knew that he had been failed by society, the fukked up public education system, NYCHA, and damn near every other municipality in NYC.

That case was one of the many personal accounts that I have while I was a Black Brooklyn Prosecutor that opened my eyes to how dysfunctional our system is.

Now, I would in Education and I fight in legal hearings against the teachers in the public schools that show terrible evaluations indicating they don't give a fukk about the black and hispanic students. I'm trying to improve the institutions that fail our people which sends them on that trajectory towards the criminal system.

I've got ALOT of stories about my time in the Criminal Justice system - I plan to write a book on it.

Powerful. Any other notable stories from your time as a prosecutor, the cases you managed, or what you learned about the system

 

[Scholar]

They are underfunded becasue they are overcrowded. I say send the performing and over performing children to these white schools and let them be challenged. Let them be around the good resources and thrive in their education.

Neighborhood schools need to focus solely on the under performing, imo, because they have more needs. Under performing children need to be able to walk to the school to use the computers for homework or even attend tutoring if necessary. Social workers should be able to travel from the student's house to the school with ease to provide meals, clothing, or whatever else. They also don't need to try and learn in an environment that no one wants them in with teachers that don't look like them. You think some rich white teachers. They need neighborhood teachers and other adult resources that understand where they come from. I think this is a horrible idea and if I were the parents of that school, I'd be mad too.

Yes but also because less property taxes are going to school funds. UWS schools have more funding because of increased property values (red lined to get there).

I don't see why a very well funded school can't give under preforming students all the things you mentioned in your second paragraph (aside from distance.). Also, many student in under performing schools already have teachers that don't look like them and are shyt teachers. Why not give them access to the very best teachers?

 

[EndDomination]

That’s a straight up lie b. There are a lot of black people in the UWS of all ethnicities. Everyone wants to act like there isn’t, especially those who benefit from them being gone.

In what part? Morningside Heights, Marble Hill, and Washington Heights are so White that they're the ethnic equivalent of bird-shyt. ]
Harlem is the Blackest part of the Upper West Side, and its hemorrhaging Black people.

 

[EndDomination]

As a child who was educated in the NYC public school system I can say that shyt is horrible.

Depends on the school.
NYCPSS is the largest in the US.
There are fantastic schools in the district and there are piss-poor schools in the district.

 

[BigMan]

In what part? Morningside Heights, Marble Hill, and Washington Heights are so White that they're the ethnic equivalent of bird-shyt. ]
Harlem is the Blackest part of the Upper West Side, and its hemorrhaging Black people.

this post doesn't make sense breh

 

[EndDomination]

Why not give the experience to children who are performing well already? If a child is scoring below standards, they need specialized assistance, not access to an entirely different school and environment.

Magnet schools are already creating their own kind of specialised brain-drain for the schools.
Many children who perform "below standards" are performing in accordance with their environment and the available resources.
A lot of rhetoric around public schools doesn't give a full picture: there are public schools in incredibly poor areas with strong specialised programmes and assistance, but the environment doesn't allow for maximum effectiveness. Honestly, half of the kids with IEPs in different districts would outperform many around them if they were in a consistently high-performing school or class, with support from staff and parents.

People really underestimate how much influence environment has on performance, intelligence doesn't exist in a vacuum, especially when the largest measurements of intelligence are tests and grades.

 

[EndDomination]

this post doesn't make sense breh

Harlem is the Blackest part, Washington Heights is all White Dominicans, regular ethnic cacs, and Orthodox Jews, leaning toward the former and the latter.
Harlem is what, like 60% Black now?

 

[DonRe]

I dont undertsnad why poor underprivleged students would fukk up the another childs ability to learn.

I guess only rich, super privleged Children should be able to succeed.

More classist than anything and ya against this aint seeing the bigger picture

 

[DonRe]

I went to a private catholic middle and high school, the former in lower eastbside of manhttan. The latter in the upper west side. 90% came from poor families.

And these parenta dished out 6k in tuition to better their children. I had a scholarship and my mom worked the system even though she made bank.

Studied next to poor and super rich kids. We fukked around but the idea that a poor kid hinders a rich kids progress and not vice versa, is retarded logic.

 

[BigMan]

Harlem is the Blackest part, Washington Heights is all White Dominicans, regular ethnic cacs, and Orthodox Jews, leaning toward the former and the latter.
Harlem is what, like 60% Black now?

first morningside heights, harlem, and wash heights are not UWS. and wash heights isn't all white dominicans
idk where you're getting your info from

 

[MegaManX]

I'd be pissed too if we are being honest. As would most of you if you had kids in that school. 25% will have a negative impact on the rest of the kids.
If these kids had good grades, I would've supported this move.

You're allowed to be selfish when it comes to your kids.

I would counter this by being a total dikk and saying "Fine, we will not use the government to force integration into your better funded, better infrastructure schools. Instead, we will add another 3% property tax which will DIRECTLY be taken out of your community and put into the funding of disadvantaged communities.

You will keep your elite status and government handouts while helping others. If you don't want to pay more for a better and exclusive education for your children, THEN WHY DO YOU THINK SOMEONE WITH LESS MONEY THEN YOU SHOULD BE FORCED TO DO THAT VERY THING TO GET A DECENT EDUCATION."

Cacs would be furious because they wouldn't be able to win either way.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

They are underfunded becasue they are overcrowded. I say send the performing and over performing children to these white schools and let them be challenged. Let them be around the good resources and thrive in their education.

Neighborhood schools need to focus solely on the under performing, imo, because they have more needs. Under performing children need to be able to walk to the school to use the computers for homework or even attend tutoring if necessary. Social workers should be able to travel from the student's house to the school with ease to provide meals, clothing, or whatever else. They also don't need to try and learn in an environment that no one wants them in with teachers that don't look like them. You think some rich white teachers. They need neighborhood teachers and other adult resources that understand where they come from. I think this is a horrible idea and if I were the parents of that school, I'd be mad too.

Honestly I think some of y'all fail to grasp what "underperforming" actually means in the context of public education. It refers to statewide and district-wide standardized testing averages, not to GPAs. A student attending a school with very low average scores on state exams can literally maintain a 3.0-3.5 GPA and a flawless attendance record at the school and STILL be "underperforming" based on their state standardized test results.

Conversely, you can have the attendance record of Ferris Bueller and a sub 2.0 GPA in the bottom percentile of your class, but if you're going to school at a college preparatory institution or equivalently well funded public school then chances are you've been taught how to pass a state exam.

Being an underperforming student by state criteria has little to do with your academic standing let alone behavioral issues or a lack of discipline. It has far more to do with the severely low expectations reserved for low income students which are expressed through extremely reduced course-loads in "regular" classes, limited access to advanced classes, outdated textbooks, overcrowded classrooms, etc.

Y'all are busy conjuring images of "Dangerous Minds" in your heads when you hear the word underperforming but that is one small fraction of what constitutes "underperforming" by state standards. There are entire middle and high schools in Baltimore, Oakland, etc. where NO ONE scores "proficient" on state exams or even passes them at all. Do you honestly believe that every student in those schools is not applying themselves to their school work or could it simply be that the schools themselves are failing to challenge them...

 

[Rawtid]

Yes but also because less property taxes are going to school funds. UWS schools have more funding because of increased property values (red lined to get there).

I don't see why a very well funded school can't give under preforming students all the things you mentioned in your second paragraph (aside from distance.). Also, many student in under performing schools already have teachers that don't look like them and are shyt teachers. Why not give them access to the very best teachers?

Because the very "best" white teacher isn't equipped to address the needs of an under performing student. There is much more to it than just being behind in grades and not having access to money for material items. I think we fail to address how changes in environment, also have an impact. I just don't think it's a good idea. Those kids are going to be double behind and find it hard to relate to anyone, but the other children forced there with them.