Westside Gunn Makes It Clear On Eminem Promoting The Alchemist’s New Album

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Eminem never even used to promote or support D12 and their solo shyt.... Why are people still surprised ? :mjlol:
 

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Just to clarify..Eminem signed Conway and WestSide Gunn to a distribution deal. That deal means they are allowed to pretty much be in control of their own marketing and release projects outside of Shady. Please explain to me what exactly you expect Eminem to do in this situation here to “help” them?

this is what I been posting here for about a year but I dont think people understand...its very confusing to the average person. they still are thinking EXCLUSIVE RECORDING DEAL as opposed to the newer DISTRIBUTION DEALS.

I brought this up when people kept saying Jay looked out for Jaz. This is all media hype and really not much substance. EQ Distro is owned by Roc Nation. its a separate entity under the same umbrella. Jay doesnt have any dealings with it on a day to day, its just owned by a parent company. In the past you had record labels. Those labels needed distribution for their physical product. Those days are long gone with everything being digital. So now there is no need for actual physical distribution. These deals are the industry's way of making money off artists while doing basically the same thing the artist now has the ability to do themselves.

Distribution deal is just a fancy term today for promotion deal. They promote your music and take half the profit. This is for those who dont wish to sign 360 deals and want to keep control of their branding but wish to hire a promotional firm. The politicking looks good. The optics are fantastic. They asked Jaz about it and he couldnt really lie but at the same time gave off the impression that Jay hooked him up. People (including a lot of Coli members) were saying that Jaz was signed to Roc Nation which is false. Jay simple told Jaz to go holla at my folk over at EQ and thats what happened. The pub did benefit Jaz however, so thats a good thing.

Now back to what you were saying about releasing projects outside of Shady. People think this is something special because they are looking in terms of recording deals. The only thing the Shady deal is good for is to promote whatever official Shady release the artist has. My lil cuz has a distribution deal with Addventure Records (Chris Gotti). You dont even get any bread off them shyts. Its like signing to a P.R. firm. This is another thing that annoys me about Vlad as I was posting earlier today. He is perpetuating this misinformation by saying its unprecedented for a label to allow an artist to release whatever they want. :dead:

Indy artists today can now send their album to the highest bidding label if they feel the project is big enough. Take Skyzoo for instance. He bids his albums out to find a home for them. One of his last EP's was on Tuffkong while another was on Mello Music Group.

On the other hand, people trashing Griselda for signing with Shady are off key as well. It didnt hurt them, to this point it helped them. At worst they didnt NEED to sign a distribution deal with Shady. Really the only thing Shady can do for them is some posts on social media.

If Burden of Proof was distributed by Shady all that wouldve been was more hands in the pot and Shady taking about 50% of the profits for literally doing jack but posting and retweeting. They really cant even do any shows or large venues, they still doing club sized joints. they dont even have 1 mil IG followers between the three of them. :francis: if they did a large venue, they would still be the undercard to a group like LOX.

I think the confusion is coming in where people think Griselda works for Shady when its the other way around. Shady only going to be involved to the level it behooves them to be.
 

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Well he’s gave them a verse so it’s obviously bigger than that.

verse was just because people were wondering what was up. its tricky because you want the optics to look right. its not a recording deal but the average person doesnt know the difference so they may be like, "why Em aint helping his artists out?" track was leaked on purpose. Em fans not going to crossover to being Griselda fans. they been had this deal for 4 years and none of em even got 400K followers on IG.
 

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this is what I been posting here for about a year but I dont think people understand...its very confusing to the average person. they still are thinking EXCLUSIVE RECORDING DEAL as opposed to the newer DISTRIBUTION DEALS.

I brought this up when people kept saying Jay looked out for Jaz. This is all media hype and really not much substance. EQ Distro is owned by Roc Nation. its a separate entity under the same umbrella. Jay doesnt have any dealings with it on a day to day, its just owned by a parent company. In the past you had record labels. Those labels needed distribution for their physical product. Those days are long gone with everything being digital. So now there is no need for actual physical distribution. These deals are the industry's way of making money off artists while doing basically the same thing the artist now has the ability to do themselves.

Distribution deal is just a fancy term today for promotion deal. They promote your music and take half the profit. This is for those who dont wish to sign 360 deals and want to keep control of their branding but wish to hire a promotional firm. The politicking looks good. The optics are fantastic. They asked Jaz about it and he couldnt really lie but at the same time gave off the impression that Jay hooked him up. People (including a lot of Coli members) were saying that Jaz was signed to Roc Nation which is false. Jay simple told Jaz to go holla at my folk over at EQ and thats what happened. The pub did benefit Jaz however, so thats a good thing.

Now back to what you were saying about releasing projects outside of Shady. People think this is something special because they are looking in terms of recording deals. The only thing the Shady deal is good for is to promote whatever official Shady release the artist has. My lil cuz has a distribution deal with Addventure Records (Chris Gotti). You dont even get any bread off them shyts. Its like signing to a P.R. firm. This is another thing that annoys me about Vlad as I was posting earlier today. He is perpetuating this misinformation by saying its unprecedented for a label to allow an artist to release whatever they want. :dead:

Indy artists today can now send their album to the highest bidding label if they feel the project is big enough. Take Skyzoo for instance. He bids his albums out to find a home for them. One of his last EP's was on Tuffkong while another was on Mello Music Group.

On the other hand, people trashing Griselda for signing with Shady are off key as well. It didnt hurt them, to this point it helped them. At worst they didnt NEED to sign a distribution deal with Shady. Really the only thing Shady can do for them is some posts on social media.

If Burden of Proof was distributed by Shady all that wouldve been was more hands in the pot and Shady taking about 50% of the profits for literally doing jack but posting and retweeting. They really cant even do any shows or large venues, they still doing club sized joints. they dont even have 1 mil IG followers between the three of them. :francis: if they did a large venue, they would still be the undercard to a group like LOX.

I think the confusion is coming in where people think Griselda works for Shady when its the other way around. Shady only going to be involved to the level it behooves them to be.


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Will be interesting to see anyone attempt to dispute what has been said here.
 

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verse was just because people were wondering what was up. its tricky because you want the optics to look right. its not a recording deal but the average person doesnt know the difference so they may be like, "why Em aint helping his artists out?" track was leaked on purpose. Em fans not going to crossover to being Griselda fans. they been had this deal for 4 years and none of em even got 400K followers on IG.

Considering Conway publicly disrespected Eminem’s fans who are usually very supportive of anything associated to Shady, that is definitely not happening any time soon.
 

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How would we even know if they ever requested for help or not?

signing a distro deal and asking them to help you is like signing with a boxing promoter asking them to get you a shot at the title. if you get the opportunity the shot is yours to lose. the promoter is in a win/win situation however....whether you get the shot or not and if you win, they can still parlay that to corral a bigger fighter. its essentially asking a bigger and richer entity to help you make money because they will make money too..when they already have more money than you so it wont hurt them either way...especially if they see you dont have the marketability to break through.
 

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Thank. You. Sir!

I wish I can rep, but I can’t. I’ll definitely rep you when I can.

Will be interesting to see anyone attempt to dispute what has been said here.

to give an example in quick terms...Agallah has a distribution deal with Empire. He releases an album on there about every 3-4 months. because his album with Sadat X was more anticipated, they shopped it and it got picked up by Fat Beats. Ag just released his new album this past week and is selling that out of his DM. theres a bunch of artists with distro deals with Empire. they dont turn down anybody. why should they, they just take part of your profits and in Ag's case for doing literally nothing. Shady is much bigger but the concept is still the same. What other artists are signed to Shady distribution deals? Benny signed distribution deal with E1. people on here debating on if Griselda releases are official or mixtapes. :dead: they are OFFICIAL releases. the difference between the releases is the ones Shady will approve and get behind.
 

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this is what I been posting here for about a year but I dont think people understand...its very confusing to the average person. they still are thinking EXCLUSIVE RECORDING DEAL as opposed to the newer DISTRIBUTION DEALS.

I brought this up when people kept saying Jay looked out for Jaz. This is all media hype and really not much substance. EQ Distro is owned by Roc Nation. its a separate entity under the same umbrella. Jay doesnt have any dealings with it on a day to day, its just owned by a parent company. In the past you had record labels. Those labels needed distribution for their physical product. Those days are long gone with everything being digital. So now there is no need for actual physical distribution. These deals are the industry's way of making money off artists while doing basically the same thing the artist now has the ability to do themselves.

Distribution deal is just a fancy term today for promotion deal. They promote your music and take half the profit. This is for those who dont wish to sign 360 deals and want to keep control of their branding but wish to hire a promotional firm. The politicking looks good. The optics are fantastic. They asked Jaz about it and he couldnt really lie but at the same time gave off the impression that Jay hooked him up. People (including a lot of Coli members) were saying that Jaz was signed to Roc Nation which is false. Jay simple told Jaz to go holla at my folk over at EQ and thats what happened. The pub did benefit Jaz however, so thats a good thing.

Now back to what you were saying about releasing projects outside of Shady. People think this is something special because they are looking in terms of recording deals. The only thing the Shady deal is good for is to promote whatever official Shady release the artist has. My lil cuz has a distribution deal with Addventure Records (Chris Gotti). You dont even get any bread off them shyts. Its like signing to a P.R. firm. This is another thing that annoys me about Vlad as I was posting earlier today. He is perpetuating this misinformation by saying its unprecedented for a label to allow an artist to release whatever they want. :dead:

Indy artists today can now send their album to the highest bidding label if they feel the project is big enough. Take Skyzoo for instance. He bids his albums out to find a home for them. One of his last EP's was on Tuffkong while another was on Mello Music Group.

On the other hand, people trashing Griselda for signing with Shady are off key as well. It didnt hurt them, to this point it helped them. At worst they didnt NEED to sign a distribution deal with Shady. Really the only thing Shady can do for them is some posts on social media.

If Burden of Proof was distributed by Shady all that wouldve been was more hands in the pot and Shady taking about 50% of the profits for literally doing jack but posting and retweeting. They really cant even do any shows or large venues, they still doing club sized joints. they dont even have 1 mil IG followers between the three of them. :francis: if they did a large venue, they would still be the undercard to a group like LOX.

I think the confusion is coming in where people think Griselda works for Shady when its the other way around. Shady only going to be involved to the level it behooves them to be.
This post should have a lot more eyes. Great and concise info on distribution deals vs record label deals in the modern age.
 

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This post should have a lot more eyes. Great and concise info on distribution deals vs record label deals in the modern age.

In my opinion The thread starter BK the great should edit the title of this thread and put this information in the first post
 

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to give an example in quick terms...Agallah has a distribution deal with Empire. He releases an album on there about every 3-4 months. because his album with Sadat X was more anticipated, they shopped it and it got picked up by Fat Beats. Ag just released his new album this past week and is selling that out of his DM. theres a bunch of artists with distro deals with Empire. they dont turn down anybody. why should they, they just take part of your profits and in Ag's case for doing literally nothing. Shady is much bigger but the concept is still the same. What other artists are signed to Shady distribution deals? Benny signed distribution deal with E1. people on here debating on if Griselda releases are official or mixtapes. :dead: they are OFFICIAL releases. the difference between the releases is the ones Shady will approve and get behind.

When time permits, can you please make a separate thread with all the information you blessed us with in this thread?
 

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shyt was waaaaay different back then

Even without social media, you could still say something. Em never even talked about his right hand man Proof's album when it dropped. Didn't give him a feature, not even a mixtape shout-out or anything... Only Bizarre got a feature and a beat from Em on his first album... Otherwise that was it. Em only really tried to push Obie and he didn't even know Obie that long.
 

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Even without social media, you could still say something. Em never even talked about his right hand man Proof's album when it dropped. Didn't give him a feature, not even a mixtape shout-out or anything... Only Bizarre got a feature and a beat from Em on his first album... Otherwise that was it. Em only really tried to push Obie and he didn't even know Obie that long.

Maybe Proof didn’t want that. Maybe he wanted his success to be organic as opposed to being because of Eminem. If Eminem did jump all over the project, folk would state that the only reason Proofs album was successful was because Eminem got involved.
 

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Maybe Proof didn’t want that. Maybe he wanted his success to be organic as opposed to being because of Eminem. If Eminem did jump all over the project, folk would state that the only reason Proofs album was successful was because Eminem got involved.

Okay and how did that work out for Proof? The album flopped... Plus this post doesn't make sense since he still got 50 on his album when 50 was the hottest thing in hip hop. Proof clearly didn't care about that aspect. It's Em who doesn't seem to care. If you listen to Stepping Stones, Em even admits to not doing enough to help his boys succeed.
 
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