What Americans Don’t Get About Nordic Countries

[plushcarpet]

Education reform in what respect?

Out of curiosity are the rest of your positions mainly centrist, right, far right?

- things like updating textbooks, adapting to technology (tablets, video lectures, etc), raising teacher standards, going away from standardized learning to a more per-case approach, smaller classes, infrastructure upgrades, less testing more projects

I'm definitely in favor of a type of common core curriculum, but i would have to look into the current one much more to decide if its good or not

since I'm not a kid and have no kids, haven't really kept up on that

but of course, most of that is local level politics

as for my other positions, I'm mostly in the center, slightly to the right when it comes to fiscal matters
for example, i think we should lower corporate taxes

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

These army bases aren't exclusively funded by the US Government...thats kinda a major caveat...

On top of that, its just that I want fair numbers about these costs.

Using simple arithmetic ignores the tons of waste and ingrained cultural flaws that cause the US Government to be laden with such inefficiencies.

Hell, even ethics about doctor pay in some European nations sustain cultures where doctors are just OK making less money, but even still they're seeing flight of essential personnel.

So in other words, you will reject any numbers presented because there is no $$$ amount that can be put on waste and inefficiency. How much does inefficiency add to our existing operations cost?

Not to mention, do you think our private healthcare system is cost efficient?

such as...?

I find a problem when we start talking about anything beyond healthcare.

Read the thread niglet they are on this page

 

[theworldismine13]

Didn't you just say you don't care about "random polls"?

Americans Will Pay to Shore Up Social Security: Poll

social security? that's the best you could do? after all that furious googling we all know you spent the last 20 minutes doing

if you want to bolster your argument you need to show that americans are willing to increae their taxes to implement bernie's programs, then maybe you may have a point

70 year old social programs isnt gonna cut it

 

[wire28]

I think you guys have exhausted this topic.

you really think so?

Spoiler

 

[Spanky 6000]

Spell it out for me. What specifically about the US size or "cultural diversity" prevents it from being able to implement a Nordic system? If you don't like socialist systems just say that, but if you are going to say such systems don't work why can't you get specific about why you think so?

Are you guys really this clueless?

If Nordic countries imported millions of uneducated and unskilled Mexicans, Nicaraguans, Haitians, Cambodians, Pakistanis, Somalians, etc the way the US does do you really think they could continue to afford such generous welfare programs??? The fact of the matter is that countries like the US import poor people in mass numbers while Nordic countries do not. Poorer people use far more in government services and pay a lot less in taxes than educated and skilled people do.

Do you want diversity or do you want socialism? You can't have both.

 

[Spanky 6000]

it'e entirely possible for the US to replicate a stronger social welfare state, ignorance and paranoia are the biggest stopping factors of it in the States along with the top down local approach to government that we have here in the US.

Your stronger welfare state will kill economic growth, job creation, innovation, etc.

The United States is the wealthiest nation in history. Everyone in the world is trying to move here. Why are you left wingers so intent on destroying that?

 

[LurkMoar]

So socialism is where the government seizes all your shyt and democratic socialism is where you vote to have the government seize all your shyt.


Right @Darth Humanist ?

 

[LurkMoar]

Some of tall act like you ain't got no common sense most of this country does not want big government let alone a Nordic model

 

[Spanky 6000]

How does racial or cultural diversity make it hard to agree on social programs?

Why should Americans (white and black) whose families have lived in this country for generations and made the US the wealthiest nation in history be excited to start paying for the healthcare, daycare, education, and housing for Mexicans, Nicaraguans, Somalians, etc that are flooding into our country?

The Nordic countries that you love so much aren't willing to do that which is why their immigration rates are so low. The countries that you guys want (diverse and socialist) simply do not exist.

 

[StatUS]

Some of tall act like you ain't got no common sense most of this country does not want big government let alone a Nordic model

Nah, polls have been favoring single payer for the past few years. But when you talk to them about raising taxes it's a non-starter for any program.

 

[wire28]

What specifically about the US size or "cultural diversity" prevents it from being able to implement a Nordic system? If you don't like socialist systems just say that, but if you are going to say such systems don't work why can't you get specific about why you think so?

all we need is this author to convince white people throughout the country that welfare queen isnt a synonym for black woman

the unique history of the united states and the people in power's opinion of minorities (especially poor ones) should make this easy

 

[Mr.Big Meat McGee]

Your stronger welfare state will kill economic growth, job creation, innovation, etc.

The United States is the wealthiest nation in history. Everyone in the world is trying to move here. Why are you left wingers so intent on destroying that?

No they're aren't.

 

[GunRanger]

The US has over 100million on government provided insurance and they are ran horribly. Why would we want more of that?

 

[CHL]

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Are you guys really this clueless?

If Nordic countries imported millions of uneducated and unskilled Mexicans, Nicaraguans, Haitians, Cambodians, Pakistanis, Somalians, etc the way the US does do you really think they could continue to afford such generous welfare programs??? The fact of the matter is that countries like the US import poor people in mass numbers while Nordic countries do not. Poorer people use far more in government services and pay a lot less in taxes than educated and skilled people do.

Do you want diversity or do you want socialism? You can't have both.

Welfare Use by Immigrant and Native Households

Point taken, I will accept that L for the most part, though I will say

- America (like any country) NEEDS low skill workers. Everybody can't be a computer programmer
- We can (and should) tighten up our immigration policy and borders. Sentiments and policies change.
- America is wealthy in part BECAUSE of those immigrants.
- The tax curve is TOO progressive- low income workers do not pay anywhere near their fair share and as such we miss out on hundreds of billions of tax dollars that could go to paying for social programs.

Bottom line, we spend more per capita on private sector childcare, healthcare, higher education etc etc and are getting less and less back for our $$$. Women are leaving the workforce and taking tax revenue and GDP with them because they can't afford child care- and a country NEEDS a positive (>2) birth rate to remain logistically viable, so telling people not to have kids is not an option. Millenials are delaying all the adult milestones like moving out and starting families because they are saddled with student debt. Etc. etc. Social programs enable people to work and be more productive, and (WARNING: CONSERVATIVE TRIGGER ALERT) central administration of such programs can be a lot more efficient

A lot of folks say the govt cant do anything and they just make waste and all that, but as we are seeing now the private sector is just as bad, if not WORSE, for many essential services. And a lot of those same folks think getting Trump to "shake up Washington" is a good idea. I don't see the problem. You do make a good point about immigrants but again immigration policy can be changed a lot easier than driving down the costs of essentials in the private sector