What Americans Don’t Get About Nordic Countries

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

The nordic countries combined collectively have a population roughly the size of Texas.

Affordability and logistics absolutely matter.

How do logistics preclude Nordic systems from working in the US?

the USA is a federation of states with more demographic groups and wealth classes than any other place on earth

How does a higher number of demographic groups prevent Nordic systems from working in the US?

What wealth classes do the US have that Nordic countries don't which would prevent Nordic systems from working in the US?

 

[DEAD7]

The choices Nordic countries have made have little to do with altruism or kinship. Rather, Nordic people have made their decisions out of self-interest.

And Americans have thus far decided against it...

 

[DEAD7]

How does a higher number of demographic groups prevent Nordic systems from working in the US?

Democracy + a completely different set of values will vary results IMO... and I believe logistically heavy central planning fairs much better on smaller scales.







Is there an example of Nordic style system being successfully implemented on a large scale(comparable to the U.S.)? Not saying it cant/wont work, just asking if there has ever been a successful(in your opinion) application on a large scale?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Democracy + a completely different set of values will vary results IMO... and I believe logistically heavy central planning fairs much better on smaller scales.







Is there an example of Nordic style system being successfully implemented on a large scale(comparable to the U.S.)? Not saying it cant/wont work, just asking if there has ever been a successful(in your opinion) application on a large scale?

Democracy Nordic countries don't have elected leaders? And I know what you belive; I am asking you to explain what evidence you have to validate said beliefs in an objective context.

US is the 3rd largest country in the world and barring Japan, Mexico and Germany the rest of the top 20 countries on the list are less developed and/or way more totalitarian. Japan, Mexico and Germany are all much older countries as well. So by the cherrypicked attribute logic the whole US system shouldn't work either.

Spell it out for me. What specifically about the US size or "cultural diversity" prevents it from being able to implement a Nordic system? If you don't like socialist systems just say that, but if you are going to say such systems don't work why can't you get specific about why you think so?

 

[theworldismine13]

Why do we have such a sad welfare state in the world's greatest capitalist economy? I learned on the Coli it's because of blacks and Mexicans

yeah, you can look at it that way, the racial and cultural diversity of the us makes it harder to agree on social programs than in homogeneous countries

 

[TTT]

You could probably fit an entire political spectrum of some European countries within the Democrats. Even the British Conservatives can live with the NHS and that healthcare system. For an industrialized country the US is also quite religious and has a large voting bloc that votes on issues that other industrialized countries wouldn't car about. Australia had an atheist PM, the French elect the type of politicians who are not married and cheat on their girlfriends when in power. I think the diversity argument encapsulates a variety of issues, it's just that the people who make it assume it to be self evident. The way people demagogue even soft issues such as the type Michelle Obama promoted will put up more of a challenge on sweeping reforms.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

How do logistics preclude Nordic systems from working in the US?


How does a higher number of demographic groups prevent Nordic systems from working in the US?

What wealth classes do the US have that Nordic countries don't which would prevent Nordic systems from working in the US?

Imagine a country like Germany that's between the size of New Mexico and Montana.

Then it has 1/4th the USAs population

Imagine maintaining 100 DMVs or whatever government agency you want. Compared to thousands more for only marginally more people. With far less population density.

We're not just talking facilities... We're talking infrastructure and supplies and personnel to staff underserved areas etc

The same way the military closes bases and streamlines shyt and services you apply that to all of these Nordic options and you have some different outcomes.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

what a dumb article, nowhere did a give any facts that dispute the basic assertion that nordic countries are small and homogeneous

The Nordic model is being reformed. They can't afford it.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Americans think wealth inequality is smart, so I don't think Americans understand self-interest, the will be anti-socialism because they think its un American.

Wealth inequality has little to do with socialism

And even further wealth inequality is less prevalent in the USA.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Why do we have such a sad welfare state in the world's greatest capitalist economy? I learned on the Coli it's because of blacks and Mexicans

Sad welfare?

Bro if it wasn't for healthcare Europe wouldn't have shyt to bytch about to th USA for.

 

[Arianne Martell]

A Nordic person myself, I left my native Finland seven years ago and moved to the U.S.


bottom line: a nordic country is a single state that is 99% white nordic with a single history & culture that goes back hundreds of years

the USA is a federation of states with more demographic groups and wealth classes than any other place on earth

THIS!! ^ 100

Earlier this week a coworker (White) started to talk about politics complaining about the candidate and how Bernie is always talking about "free stuff" and that his followers most likely don't know that its going to come out of their pocket

I told him that I am a Bernie supporter and I understand that I'll have to pay more taxes but I'll rather have my money go to free education than a stupid senseless war.

But what I really wanted to tell him is that this country was founded on giving free shyt: free land, free labor, tax free for years, free home loans (0% interest) etc. However, it was all good then because those benefits were only for whites but now that this country has a vast population of minorities now is a problem to have free shyt so that's when you have these "pull-up your bootstraps" speeches .

Nordic countries it works well because they have been in that land forever and have little minorities to share the goods with so paying premium taxes is no problem because they are helping their fellow countrymen. Unlike the U.S. people are constantly telling each other to go back where they came from.

so none of the Nordic nations perks will ever come to the U.S. for those reasons

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Imagine a country like Germany that's between the size of New Mexico and Montana.

Then it has 1/4th the USAs population

Imagine maintaining 100 DMVs or whatever government agency you want. Compared to thousands more for only marginally more people. With far less population density.

We're not just talking facilities... We're talking infrastructure and supplies and personnel to staff underserved areas etc

The same way the military closes bases and streamlines shyt and services you apply that to all of these Nordic options and you have some different outcomes.

We have plenty of federal service facilities across the country. Most obvious one is Social Security, but there is also the USPS- which is bankrupt, but only because of poor fiscal choices, which can happen with private entities too.

Privatizing things doesn't guarantee anything either; there are still plenty of uninsured people as well as areas of the country that are losing essential private sector service facilities like hospitals and even grocery stores. Walmart comes to a town, all the local business dies, then Walmart closes down and the town has nothing

You mention the military.... again, we have over 1,000 army bases around the world.... how is it easier to build an army base in a foreign war zone than an administrative office in Montana

 

[Tate]

yeah, you can look at it that way, the racial and cultural diversity of the us makes it harder to agree on social programs than in homogeneous countries

That's an argument against ability to implement not efficacy

Sad welfare?

Bro if it wasn't for healthcare Europe wouldn't have shyt to bytch about to th USA for.

Nap with the bold stand that there's little difference in welfare spending between the US and Nordics. This is the posting that brings us here folks

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

yeah, you can look at it that way, the racial and cultural diversity of the us makes it harder to agree on social programs than in homogeneous countries

How does racial or cultural diversity make it hard to agree on social programs?

 

[JBoy]

it'e entirely possible for the US to replicate a stronger social welfare state, ignorance and paranoia are the biggest stopping factors of it in the States along with the top down local approach to government that we have here in the US.