do illegal immigrants pay taxes?
What Americans Don’t Get About Nordic Countries
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what's your definition of unskilled?
because I often see those guys do jobs I don't know how to do
Top 10 Myths About Immigration
By Leo Anchondo of Justice for Immigrants
By Leo Anchondo of Justice for Immigrants
- Immigrants don't pay taxes.
Immigrants pay taxes, in the form of income, property, sales, and taxes at the federal and state level. As far as income tax payments go, sources vary in their accounts, but a range of studies find that immigrants pay between $90 and $140 billion a year in federal, state, and local taxes. Undocumented immigrants pay income taxes as well, as evidenced by the Social Security Administration's "suspense file" (taxes that cannot be matched to workers' names and social security numbers), which grew by $20 billion between 1990 and 1998.
(Source: http://www.immigrationforum.org/about/articles/tax_study.htm) - Immigrants come here to take welfare.
Immigrants come to work and reunite with family members. Immigrant labor force participation is consistently higher than native-born, and immigrant workers make up a larger share of the U.S. labor force (12.4%) than they do the U.S. population (11.5%). Moreover, the ratio between immigrant use of public benefits and the amount of taxes they pay is consistently favorable to the U.S. In one estimate, immigrants earn about $240 billion a year, pay about $90 billion a year in taxes, and use about $5 billion in public benefits. In another cut of the data, immigrant tax payments total $20 to $30 billion more than the amount of government services they use.
(Source: "Questioning Immigration Policy - Can We Afford to Open Our Arms?", Friends Committee on National Legislation Document #G-606-DOM, January 25, 1996. http:www.fas.org/pub/gen/fcnl/immigra.html) - Immigrants send all their money back to their home countries.
In addition to the consumer spending of immigrant households, immigrants and their businesses contribute $162 billion in tax revenue to U.S. federal, state, and local governments. While it is true that immigrants remit billions of dollars a year to their home countries, this is one of the most targeted and effective forms of direct foreign investment.
(Source: http://www.cato.org/research/articles/griswold-020218.html) - Immigrants take jobs and opportunity away from Americans.
The largest wave of immigration to the U.S. since the early 1900s coincided with our lowest national unemployment rate and fastest economic growth. Immigrant entrepreneurs create jobs for U.S. and foreign workers, and foreign-born students allow many U.S. graduate programs to keep their doors open. While there has been no comprehensive study done of immigrant-owned businesses, we have countless examples: in Silicon Valley, companies begun by Chinese and Indian immigrants generated more than $19.5 billion in sales and nearly 73,000 jobs in 2000.
(Source: Richard Vedder, Lowell Gallaway, and Stephen Moore, Immigration and Unemployment: New Evidence, Alexis de Tocqueville Institution, Arlington, VA (Mar. 1994), p. 13.) - Immigrants are a drain on the U.S. economy.
During the 1990s, half of all new workers were foreign-born, filling gaps left by native-born workers in both the high- and low-skill ends of the spectrum. Immigrants fill jobs in key sectors, start their own businesses, and contribute to a thriving economy. The net benefit of immigration to the U.S. is nearly $10 billion annually. As Alan Greenspan points out, 70% of immigrants arrive in prime working age. That means we haven't spent a penny on their education, yet they are transplanted into our workforce and will contribute $500 billion toward our social security system over the next 20 years.
(Source: Andrew Sum, Mykhaylo Trubskyy, Ishwar Khatiwada, et al., Immigrant Workers in the New England Labor Market: Implications for Workforce Development Policy, Center for Labor Market Studies, Northeastern University, Boston, Prepared for the New England Regional Office, the Employment and Training Administration, and the U.S. Department of Labor, Boston, Massachusetts, October 2002. http://www.nupr.neu.edu/11-02/immigration.PDF) - Immigrants don't want to learn English or become Americans.
Within ten years of arrival, more than 75% of immigrants speak English well; moreover, demand for English classes at the adult level far exceeds supply. Greater than 33% of immigrants are naturalized citizens; given increased immigration in the 1990s, this figure will rise as more legal permanent residents become eligible for naturalization in the coming years. The number of immigrants naturalizing spiked sharply after two events: enactment of immigration and welfare reform laws in 1996, and the terrorist attacks in 2001.
(Source: American Immigration Lawyers Association, Myths & Facts in the Immigration Debate", 8/14/03. http://www.aila.org/contentViewer.aspx?bc=17,142#section4)
(Source: Simon Romero and Janet Elder, "Hispanics in the US Report Optimism" New York Times, Aug. 6, 2003) - Today's immigrants are different than those of 100 years ago.
The percentage of the U.S. population that is foreign-born now stands at 11.5%; in the early 20th century it was approximately 15%. Similar to accusations about today's immigrants, those of 100 years ago initially often settled in mono-ethnic neighborhoods, spoke their native languages, and built up newspapers and businesses that catered to their fellow émigrés. They also experienced the same types of discrimination that today's immigrants face, and integrated within American culture at a similar rate. If we view history objectively, we remember that every new wave of immigrants has been met with suspicion and doubt and yet, ultimately, every past wave of immigrants has been vindicated and saluted.
(Source: Census Data: http://www.census.gov/prod/2002pubs/censr-4.pdf) - Most immigrants cross the border illegally.
Around 75% of today's immigrants have legal permanent (immigrant) visas; of the 25% that are undocumented, 40% overstayed temporary (non-immigrant) visas.
(Source: Department of Homeland Security Immigration Statistics | Homeland Security) - Weak U.S. border enforcement has led to high undocumented immigration.
From 1986 to 1998, the Border Patrol's budget increased six-fold and the number of agents stationed on our southwest border doubled to 8,500. The Border Patrol also toughened its enforcement strategy, heavily fortifying typical urban entry points and pushing migrants into dangerous desert areas, in hopes of deterring crossings. Instead, the undocumented immigrant population doubled in that timeframe, to 8 million-despite the legalization of nearly 3 million immigrants after the enactment of the Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986. Insufficient legal avenues for immigrants to enter the U.S., compared with the number of jobs in need of workers, has significantly contributed to this current conundrum.
(Source: Immigration and Naturalization website:Exede Satellite Internet | Internet Service Provider | NCJRS) - The war on terrorism can be won through immigration restrictions.
No security expert since September 11th, 2001 has said that restrictive immigration measures would have prevented the terrorist attacks-instead, the key is effective use of good intelligence. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were here on legal visas. Since 9/11, the myriad of measures targeting immigrants in the name of national security have netted no terrorism prosecutions. In fact, several of these measures could have the opposite effect and actually make us less safe, as targeted communities of immigrants are afraid to come forward with information.
(Source: Associated Press/Dow Jones Newswires, "US Senate Subcommittee Hears Immigration Testimony", Oct. 17, 2001.)
(Source: Cato Institute: "Don't Blame Immigrants for Terrorism", Daniel Griswold, Assoc. Director of Cato Institute's Center for Trade Policy Studies http://www.cato.org/dailys/10-23-01.html)
We could just so it regardless of their opinion. That's how government works anyway.all we need is this author to convince white people throughout the country that welfare queen isnt a synonym for black woman
the unique history of the united states and the people in power's opinion of minorities (especially poor ones) should make this easy
A Nordic person myself, I left my native Finland seven years ago and moved to the U.S.
bottom line: a nordic country is a single state that is 99% white nordic with a single history & culture that goes back hundreds of years
the USA is a federation of states with more demographic groups and wealth classes than any other place on earth
I work with a German who had universal healthcare and loved it and all he does is complain about health care in america but can't fix his mouth to say he liked universal healthcare in Germany more. All he will say is its different.
I ask him was it cheaper. he says yes.
were there long lines. he says no.
Are the dr. better here. not that he can tell.
would you say it's better. it's different.
I ask him about free college and he says it's great but it's not free to everyone. you have to maintain a certain gpa. Is the same true in Finland?
I'd like to hear from you about your experience in finland. just curious, no animosity. mostly about socialism. once the system is in place, are the upsides as big as they seem or are there some downsides one wouldn't understand unless they've experienced it?
JahFocus CS
Get It How You Get It
get those outta here.
A Nordic person myself, I left my native Finland seven years ago and moved to the U.S.
bottom line: a nordic country is a single state that is 99% white nordic with a single history & culture that goes back hundreds of years
the USA is a federation of states with more demographic groups and wealth classes than any other place on earth
Half this country strongly disagrees with the other half every 4 years
But the Nordic model is gonna work in America eh
Sweden and Norway are both 15% immigrants (not to mention 2nd-generation and other non-Nordic people), and they have political battles too. Ya'all are way too wrapped up in the American bubble to think we're so amazingly different than the rest of the world.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
they were not 15 percent immigrant when the welfare state was being created post wwii
And there certainly were not any non Nordic people at the founding of the nation
The racial history of the United States is nothing like Nordic countries, for anybody to equate the diversity of the us with some decade long influx of immigrants to Northern Europe shows profound ignorance
The only country in the planet that has a similar racial history in the same scale as the us is Brazil
Nordic countries are not similar to the us in terms of "diversity" (whatever the fuk "diversity" means), that's retarded
The Odum of Ala Igbo
Hail Biafra!
If racial animus is the reason why the U.S. doesn't have more de-commodification...that's just sad man.
these mofos are acting like in order to get dixiecrats (the fathers of the modern day republican style) on board with social security the supporters and FDR had to agree to pretty much prevent blacks (or should i say agricultural and domestic servants) from getting it.If racial animus is the reason why the U.S. doesn't have more de-commodification...that's just sad man.
plushcarpet
Superstar
According to Eurostat, in 2010, there were 1.33 million foreign-born residents in Sweden, corresponding to 14.3% of the total population. Of these, 859,000 (64.3%) were born outside the EU and 477,000 (35.7%) were born in another EU Member State.[14][15]
so sweden has 859k immigrants (most of which are probably from eastern europe), that's nothing, there's more immigrants in a small american state
the US will allow 1 million legal immigrants into the country in 2016
There would be no economic issue with implementing the Nordic model in the US.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply poor at basic mathematics.
The issue is systemic: they have had the push toward the model for some time, and it continues perpetually.
In the US, there is a push toward a weak model, which is why that is continuing perpetually.
Pretty much it.
American conservatives are also borderline retarded, so that definitely adds to it.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply poor at basic mathematics.
The issue is systemic: they have had the push toward the model for some time, and it continues perpetually.
In the US, there is a push toward a weak model, which is why that is continuing perpetually.
Pretty much it.
American conservatives are also borderline retarded, so that definitely adds to it.
Proportion breh.According to Eurostat, in 2010, there were 1.33 million foreign-born residents in Sweden, corresponding to 14.3% of the total population. Of these, 859,000 (64.3%) were born outside the EU and 477,000 (35.7%) were born in another EU Member State.[14][15]
so sweden has 859k immigrants (most of which are probably from eastern europe), that's nothing, there's more immigrants in a small american state
the US will allow 1 million legal immigrants into the country in 2016