What can Hillary GET DONE that Bernie Can't, that will help the middle to poor classes?

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Why ya'll gotta lie LMAO! Obama got Max fukking Baucus to draft the bill, because he knew he was against the public option, that would limit insurance company profits. As soon as the bill was passed, all the insurance company stocks shot up. Come on brah.

Hillary as already said she doesn't see Universal Health Care ever getting passed. It's cool, they don't have the will for it. But please stop projecting progressive values unto people that don't want to fight for them. I can say I want anything. What am I prepared to do to get it?
Bruh, the insurance companies aren't some small negligible part of the economy or society...you can't just writ and large X them out and go hard for a system that doesn't exist.

The ACA is for healthcare what DADT was for gay people...a compromise and now ya'll are acting like that in itself isn't worth celebrating

You're fukking ungrateful and apparently terrible negotiatiors.
 

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I'm just not as left as some of you all are. I'm not a big fan of socialism and I don't think it benefits societies that keep pushing for more and more state economies. Healthcare is one thing...but when it starts creeping into other industries, namely natural resources you end up with a HUGE problem...and I can honestly see some radical lefties doing that.

I'm very socially liberal...so a democrat is the only option for me here. ...but i'm not a socialist...not at all.

And again...this is why Trump is winning...he's calling those H1B abusers out...Has Bernie done that? For all of his "togetherness" talk, rarely does he point out necessary reforms to protect american employment via things like immigration reform.
This is just goalpost moving. You have Socialism already. Explain quantitative easing genius. Stop using Right Wing spin to smear progressives, as well as the unintended consequences. Slippery slope shyt is why they profile nikkas.
 

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People are gonna look back at hypercapitalism from the 80s-nowish in the future and see it the same way we look back at the Aztecs

we live in a plastic window-dressed Mad Max Fury Road world
 

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3 pages and not one policy that hillary can push through that bernie can't
Actually, HRC can do everything Bernie wants to do on the sheer basis of soft skills...which none of you all acknowledge.

Thats the rub.

We'd talk about intangibles but then ya'll would run back under the "objectivity" tent.
 

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i work in healthcare and talked to many people who have lived in canada and parts of europe and socialized healthcare is horrible... if you want to see a nuerologist u have to wait like 6 months sometimes, even basic appointments are hard to get... they have a huge problem with there ER department, many go there cuz they dont have to wait and be seen.... fukk all that.
read this

10 Myths About Canadian Health Care, Busted | Physicians for a National Health Program

3. Wait times in Canada are horrendous.
True and False again — it depends on which province you live in, and what’s wrong with you. Canada’s health care system runs on federal guidelines that ensure uniform standards of care, but each territory and province administers its own program. Some provinces don’t plan their facilities well enough; in those, you can have waits. Some do better. As a general rule, the farther north you live, the harder it is to get to care, simply because the doctors and hospitals are concentrated in the south. But that’s just as true in any rural county in the U.S.

You can hear the bytching about it no matter where you live, though. The percentage of Canadians who’d consider giving up their beloved system consistently languishes in the single digits. A few years ago, a TV show asked Canadians to name the Greatest Canadian in history; and in a broad national consensus, they gave the honor to Tommy Douglas, the Saskatchewan premier who is considered the father of the country’s health care system. (And no, it had nothing to do with the fact that he was also Kiefer Sutherland’s grandfather.). In spite of that, though, grousing about health care is still unofficially Canada’s third national sport after curling and hockey.

And for the country’s newspapers, it’s a prime watchdogging opportunity. Any little thing goes sideways at the local hospital, and it’s on the front pages the next day. Those kinds of stories sell papers, because everyone is invested in that system and has a personal stake in how well it functions. The American system might benefit from this kind of constant scrutiny, because it’s certainly one of the things that keeps the quality high. But it also makes people think it’s far worse than it is.

Critics should be reminded that the American system is not exactly instant-on, either. When I lived in California, I had excellent insurance, and got my care through one of the best university-based systems in the nation. Yet I routinely had to wait anywhere from six to twelve weeks to get in to see a specialist. Non-emergency surgical waits could be anywhere from four weeks to four months. After two years in the BC system, I’m finding the experience to be pretty much comparable, and often better. The notable exception isMRIs, which were easy in California, but can take many months to get here. (It’s the number one thing people go over the border for.) Other than that, urban Canadians get care about as fast as urban Americans do.

4. You have to wait forever to get a family doctor.
False for the vast majority of Canadians, but True for a few. Again, it all depends on where you live. I live in suburban Vancouver, and there are any number of first-rate GPs in my neighborhood who are taking new patients. If you don’t have a working relationship with one, but need to see a doctor now, there are 24-hour urgent care clinics in most neighborhoods that will usually get you in and out on the minor stuff in under an hour.

It is, absolutely, harder to get to a doctor if you live out in a small town, or up in the territories. But that’s just as true in the U.S. — and in America, the government won’t cover the airfare for rural folk to come down to the city for needed treatment, which all the provincial plans do.
 

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Actually, HRC can do everything Bernie wants to do on the sheer basis of soft skills...which none of you all acknowledge.

Thats the rub.

We'd talk about intangibles but then ya'll would run back under the "objectivity" tent.
ha haa soft skills? the same soft skills she had when she tried to rush that single payer thru when her hubbie was prez? Stop it. what soft skills? NON.

her only soft skill is being in bed with corporation similar to repubs.
 

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This is just goalpost moving. You have Socialism already. Explain quantitative easing genius. Stop using Right Wing spin to smear progressives, as well as the unintended consequences. Slippery slope shyt is why they profile nikkas.
The slippery slope is a valid criticism in some instances...especially government control of economies.

QE is already controversial. Social Security WILL be reformed in a few years. There WILL be a public works initiative.

But what lets me think Bernie would stop at healthcare?

This worries me.
 

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Bruh, the insurance companies aren't some small negligible part of the economy or society...you can't just writ and large X them out and go hard for a system that doesn't exist.

The ACA is for healthcare what DADT was for gay people...a compromise and now ya'll are acting like that in itself isn't worth celebrating

You're fukking ungrateful and apparently terrible negotiatiors.
And you're definitely Right Wing. No doubt about that shyt. You should NEVER have for profit health insurance. The shyt doesn't even sound right, but since you were born into the shyt, you're used to eating it. People want something different, and NO I am not grateful to the insurance companies. Do you really understand how many people let die for profit?

Don't answer that, because you're a secret Republican, and they never give a shyt about ANYTHING, until it directly affects them, and then they want a solution RIGHT NOW,and they will primary people in a split second. You call people ungrateful that have been riding with the Democrats for more than 4 decades. We're tired brah.
 
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The slippery slope is a valid criticism in some instances...especially government control of economies.

QE is already controversial. Social Security WILL be reformed in a few years. There WILL be a public works initiative.

But what lets me think Bernie would stop at healthcare?

This worries me.
Again, all assumptions. If we have another stock market crash, there may be no Social Security or American dollar, because we'd either have to bail out the banks or FDIC. It's not like we're saving any money.
 

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And you're definitely Right Wing. No doubt about that shyt. You should NEVER have for profit health insurance. The shyt doesn't even sound right, but sense you were born into the shyt, you're used to eating it. People want something different, and NO I am not grateful to the insurance companies. Do you really understand how many people let die for profit?

Don't answer that, because you're a secret Republican, and they never give a shyt about ANYTHING, until it directly affects them, and then they want a solution RIGHT NOW,and they will primary people in a split second. You call people ungrateful that have been riding with the Democrats for more than 4 decades. We're tired brah.
Let this Heroin thing get bigger and we'll see drug policy reform with the quickness :sas2:
 

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And you're definitely Right Wing. No doubt about that shyt. You should NEVER have for profit health insurance.
Yeah you can. People do it all the time. Healthcare ain't free my nikka. Neither is better access and outcomes.

The shyt doesn't even sound right, but sense you were born into the shyt, you're used to eating it. People want something different, and NO I am not grateful to the insurance companies. Do you really understand how many people let die for profit?
Thus the ACA...dipshyt. :snoop: :stopitslime:

Don't answer that, because you're a secret Republican, and they never give a shyt about ANYTHING, until it directly affects them, and then they want a solution RIGHT NOW,and they will primary people in a split second. You call people ungrateful that have been riding with the Democrats for more than 4 decades. We're tired brah.

I'm sorry for understanding macroeconomics beyond mere hedonistic desires to fukk around all day without contributing to an economy.
 

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Yeah you can. People do it all the time. Healthcare ain't free my nikka. Neither is better access and outcomes.

Thus the ACA...dipshyt. :snoop: :stopitslime:



I'm sorry for understanding macroeconomics beyond mere hedonistic desires to fukk around all day without contributing to an economy.


Breh you can't argue with pure socialist liberals, it's a shame none of them have actually lived in Europe.
 
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