What Did DJ Shadow Do With Sampling That Was so Different From Other Producers?

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

All I can say is this.

Imagine all the stuff you hear now that sounds like it.

Now imagine there being nothing that sounds like before THIS came out.

There you go.




and i'm not trying to be all elitist about it since it took me a while to understand it myself

I have hundreds of soundcloud artists instrumental tracks and productions....and they ALL started from this branch if you want to be honest.

 

[Da King]

I never understood why he got so much praise, but then I saw his skin color

 

[mobbinfms]

No no I agree, I was gonna say that too. It's why I think plunderphonics is a cop out. But even in that early hip hop production it wasn't all samples. You had some keys, or some 808 drum hits, that type of thing. So when they say "completely out of samples" it means every note and drum hit is from a different record.

I could be completely wrong about this, but once Ultimate Breaks and Beats dropped in the 80s, wasn't hip hop production primarily samples over breakbeats?

 

[mobbinfms]

Or him being this incredible sample-flipper in the vein or possibly ahead of a Prince Paul, Premo, Timbaland, etc (given the cac praise for Shadow). I need receipts for all this shyt.

I don't think anyone is saying this.

 

[Ian1362]

I'm curious though, I was under the impression that Public Enemy and the Bomb Squad
were also pioneers of that "as many samples as possible" production style that's built
pretty much entirely out of samples from other records, or am I mistaken ?

Beastie Boy's Pauls Boutique and De La Soul's 3 Feet High and Rising, both came out before sampling lawsuits went crazy and had 99999 samples on some tracks. iirc it was the Biz Markie record that precipitated the whole shyt

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[mobbinfms]

DJ Paul over any nikka mentioned in here

Havoc >>>>>

 

[JohnB]

Think about this.

It wasn't MEANT to be rapped over.

Thats what made it so innovative.

Its literally not made with the intention of having other rappers on top of it....


Again...its hard to get people to understand how things were before dude kinda put this out there. You could make stuff LIKE it...but it'd always have that sonic pocket for artists to go on top of it....this just was not made with artists in mind.

I agree, I was just curious lol.

 

[JohnB]

Havoc >>>>>

Two different styles, Like comparing rock to death metal. Both producers are dope.

 

[10bandz]

I could be completely wrong about this, but once Ultimate Breaks and Beats dropped in the 80s, wasn't hip hop production primarily samples over breakbeats?

I downloaded all volumes of that shyt from a torrent the other day

 

[mobbinfms]

mean...Imagine never hearing a hip-hop album thats sample based EVER before that.

The majority of hip hop albums in the late 80s to before Entroducing were sample based.

 

[Yapdatfool]

You gotta remember though...no one rapped on Shadow's shyt

And no one did a FULL ALBUM of that stuff...that sounded GREAT. He wasn't "the first"...but he created this sonic space where no one could rap over it, but it wasn't meant to be rapped over.

Dude pioneered that whole instrumental album in hip-hop lane. It wasn't just for beat-making, it was for making new songs themselves.

Then add to the low-wave nature of the album, thats a completely fukking innovative vibe that I don't think really existed before that in the mainstream

I can agree with this.

 

[Ian1362]

Also, off the top of my head, the first KMD album, in terms of sampling all sorts of ridiculous shyt, random tv speaking segments etc, and creating a musical narrative.

 

[mobbinfms]

Two different styles, Like comparing rock to death metal. Both producers are dope.

I hear you, but DJ Paul didn't produce The Infamous and Hell on Earth...so...
Havoc >>>>>

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The majority of hip hop albums in the late 80s to before Entroducing were sample based.

You're not getting it.

They had samples, but artists still rapped on top of them.

They weren't making albums where EVERYTHING was a sample. Even the vocals. They were using samples to make beats, not songs. Its a big difference.

DJ Shadow’s influence looms large - The Boston Globe

Peep that article.

Over time you come to realize that MOST of the shyt dudes are making online is a stem from Endtroducing.

 

[Cal Cutta]

All that low-wave junkie sounding enlightened mood music with a hip-hop tint that solely instrumental based?

DJ Shadow.

For the style you're describing here, that's more Boards of Canada, who were around and with their own sound the same tine as DJ Shadow.