What Did DJ Shadow Do With Sampling That Was so Different From Other Producers?

[Art Barr]

mo wax i discovered dj krush and it was the end of how i viewed hip hop forever in 1997.

speaking of roni size that second reprezent album was

Reprezent was so fukk'n awful.

I remember I got that shyt around when rakim 18th letter came out.
I, remember talking to a producer about rakim and that as a review.
As a matter of fact,...that was in that lull period for rap.
Where they tried to segueway triphop into taking over rap the first time.
Except the artist did not rap well enough.
trying to invade, to supercede and change rap.
jnto what this gateway homosexual thing they market it as using young thug, now.
They tried this ol weirdo vibe before except the pants were blown out like dresses instead of skinny.
Which they called rave gear back then and featured made urban imported brands like box fresh, to domestic lines like fresh jive for denim.


Art Barr

 

[Cole Cash]

Reprezent was so fukk'n awful.

I remember I got that shyt around when rakim 18th letter came out.
I, remember talking to a producer about rakim and that as a review.
As a matter of fact,...that was in that lull period for rap.
Where they tried to segueway triphop into taking over rap the first time.
Except the artist did not rap well enough.
trying to invade, to supercede and change rap.
jnto what this gateway homosexual thing they market it as using young thug, now.
They tried this ol weirdo vibe before except the pants were blown out like dresses instead of skinny.
Which they called rave gear back then and featured made urban imported brands like box fresh, to domestic lines like fresh jive for denim.


Art Barr

the first album was incredible, even the bahamdia verse was raw as fukk, the second album was awful that came out in 2000, but that first album is a masterpiece for real.

 

[frush11]

4hero are one of the only dnb groups/duos/artists that were able to successfully evolve musically, those dudes started off with hardcore, then into jungle then in 1998 effectivelyl left it at the height of the neurofunk era and never looked back. nikkas bit ed rush and optical something serious. wormhole influenced a whole lot of shytty copycats.

The weird thing about 4Hero, they never really wanted to make that type of music. They just wanted to make HIp-Hop, but at that time Hip-Hop artist in England didnt really have much to work with. So they just went to the "Dance" and made their muthafukkkking mark. And without their works and label, Jungle wouldve existed, but it wouldn't have been the same.

Im glad to see that Marc Mac(one half of 4Hero) has revived his old Jungle alias Manix and is making stuff with that 92/93 Foundation Jungle Sound.

 

[Art Barr]

you're just trying to play "who did it first" with me.

I'm talking about widespread mainstream appeal and acknowledgment.

Really, you could say DJ shadow was a more sassafras based ideal of the boom squad think tank of sampling, tho.
Except he did not have music made for an actual emcee to rap to.
He made more music with that sassafras cultural vibe meets sampling vibe to it.
Yet, it had a hard edge percussion wise because rap did play a part in shadow making records, exclusively.
Plus, I feel he picked up on where rap got lost at.
When jiggy popped up, and should have stayed in the mature direction of awakening by lord finesse and puba's 2000.
Except he had the more sassafras sonic experience minus the lyrics.
As I feel he had to make music no emcee really could get on.
All because his region did not have anyone gifted enough to rap on it, as well.

Which they won't admit.
Although, i feel that is why this types of music.
That eventually were exports internationally were actually created.

Art Barr

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Really, you could say DJ shadow was a more sassafras based ideal of boom squad think tank of sampling, tho.
Except he did not have musc made for an actual emcee to rap to.
He made more music with that sassafras cultural meets sampling vibe to it.
Yet, it had a hard edge percussion wise because rap did play a part in shadow making records, exclusively.


Art Barr

Its hard to explain because it took me a while to truly understand how revolutionary he was too...it was before I was really INTO music like I am now.

The best way I can say it is just look at the landscape of "atmospheric" hip-hop producers on Soundcloud and imagine them being descendants of DJ Shadow.

Whats crazy is if you play the album TODAY it not only sounds better (because dude had skill), it also sounds current... which means he really was ground breaking when he did that shyt

 

[frush11]

alot of people feel like that. the big shift really took hold when body rock and the ram trilogy popped off and then dillinja put out fast car. it was fukking awful. shy fx was on that list too for the longest im suprised you like it.

by 98 i was heavily geared towards total science and good lookings entire roster even becoming friends with blu mar ten (who support my shyt oddly enough)

by the time i returned home from afgahnistan i basically never bought another dnb record, i stopped listening to it and returned to hip hop. it was saturated and trash to me. last dnb record i bought was a hospital compilation plastic surgery 4 i think

Ive always loved Shy's work, especially during the Neuro era, he didnt release much, but he made tunes that still stuck to the Jungle vibes. Bubbly vibesy tunes.

It was kinda strange for me, cause i got into D&B in 96. And unlike most folks in America who found that music. I didnt get in through Ed Rush, No U Turn, Renegade Hardware, and Deiselboy sound. It was Full Cycle, V, True Playaz, Creative Spurce, 4Hero, Peshay, More Rockers, Bukem, and Jungle that drew me in.

At times i felt like i was on an Island, A Black person in America, who like this music, that no one knows about really. And the people who do kmow about it, are mainly Whites, who are into a completely different sound and style off the music. And because they are the majority, what they like becomes the dominant style.

Shiit was frustrating, cause i came in during that transition period off the genre when it moved from Jungle to D&B, and the obvious more Black influences got taken away from the sound off the music. So it was like i came in where for most pary i feeling all aspects off the music, then all the sudden in 98, the Techy and Grungy sound tookover.

 

[x2y]

That Why Hip Hop Sucks in '96 beat is fire

It's the $$

 

[mbewane]

Am I the only one who doesn't even care about how many samples he used, or if someone did it before him, and just love the album because it's great music?

 

[Monoblock]

Entroducing was dope but I didn't care for anything else he did after.

I liked Private Press it just wasn't as good as Endtroducing but fukk all that other shyt Endtroducing is classic and the shyt.




That sax

 

[Cal Cutta]

you're just trying to play "who did it first" with me.

I'm talking about widespread mainstream appeal and acknowledgment.

No I'm not. In the scheme of things, Boards of Canada are just about as influential as DJ Shadow. If both acts were to tour right now, Boards of Canada would probably pull bigger crowds. Same thing for new release hype, etc.

It has nothing to do with "who did it first". DJ Shadow has nothing to do with vaporwave or whatever term you wanna use.

With that said, DJ Shadow's dope. I was actually at his very first live performance of Brainfreeze with Cut Chemist (WOW Hall in Eugene Oregon at some point in the late 90's). Nothing but cutting 45's for an hour and a half. Amazing.

 

[NVious]

Reprezent was so fukk'n awful.

I remember I got that shyt around when rakim 18th letter came out.
I, remember talking to a producer about rakim and that as a review.
As a matter of fact,...that was in that lull period for rap.
Where they tried to segueway triphop into taking over rap the first time.
Except the artist did not rap well enough.
trying to invade, to supercede and change rap.
jnto what this gateway homosexual thing they market it as using young thug, now.
They tried this ol weirdo vibe before except the pants were blown out like dresses instead of skinny.
Which they called rave gear back then and featured made urban imported brands like box fresh, to domestic lines like fresh jive for denim.


Art Barr

New Forms is a masterpiece to me, and it also aged very well imo. Pretty much everything afterwords was kinda wack other than the Dope Dragon compilation though.

Also, it's nice to see a discussion about jungle/dnb on this board. We don't see that every day.

 

[Cole Cash]

New Forms is a masterpiece to me, and it also aged very well imo. Pretty much everything afterwords was kinda wack other than the Dope Dragon compilation though.

Also, it's nice to see a discussion about jungle/dnb on this board. We don't see that every day.

he re-released new forms in 2008 and it was super dope and worth a re-listen. i got an extensive drum and bass collection i still have some of my mixes from that time 97-2004 pm me if you want anything

i havent heard anything from metalheadz since i bough tplatinum breaks 3 in 2000

 

[frush11]

New Forms is a masterpiece to me, and it also aged very well imo. Pretty much everything afterwords was kinda wack other than the Dope Dragon compilation though.

Also, it's nice to see a discussion about jungle/dnb on this board. We don't see that every day.

That's a timeless album, speaking of Dope Dragon, i need to find that Wayz of The Dragon comp.

And get that Coded Language, and that Breakbeat Era album again on Vinyl.

 

[NVious]

he re-released new forms in 2008 and it was super dope and worth a re-listen. i got an extensive drum and bass collection i still have some of my mixes from that time 97-2004 pm me if you want anything

i havent heard anything from metalheadz since i bough tplatinum breaks 3 in 2000

You know what, I actually never checked that New Forms re-release, but I do think that I have it on an external HD. I should probably peep that.

I also have a ton of dnb / jungle records, at least 1500 or so. I have actually been revisiting them lately. Lots of stuff on Metalheadz, Good Looking and the deeper end of things. I actually did a six track Hip hop EP with ASC a couple of years back...Ninja Tune even expressed some interest in it, but it never came out for whatever reason. I still talk to that guy quite regularly, in fact. I also just finished a hip hop LP with DJ Trax, who is like Paradox's best friend. It's been signed and is going to be released on a UK label. I'm pretty hype bc it's the first time any of my work has been pressed up on wax.

I'll definitely hit you up for some mixes too breh. What kind of stuff were you messing with?

@frush11 Yezzir, that's exactly the comp I was referring to. Such a dope collection of tunes on that. I could never get into the Breakbeat Era album for some reason though, but Coded Language is outstanding. Do you have that on wax? I've read that the tunes are a lot longer than the CD version. Been meaning to check that out.

 

[Cole Cash]

You know what, I actually never checked that New Forms re-release, but I do think that I have it on an external HD. I should probably peep that.

I also have a ton of dnb / jungle records, at least 1500 or so. I have actually been revisiting them lately. Lots of stuff on Metalheadz, Good Looking and the deeper end of things. I actually did a six track Hip hop EP with ASC a couple of years back...Ninja Tune even expressed some interest in it, but it never came out for whatever reason. I still talk to that guy quite regularly, in fact. I also just finished a hip hop LP with DJ Trax, who is like Paradox's best friend. It's been signed and is going to be released on a UK label. I'm pretty hype bc it's the first time any of my work has been pressed up on wax.

I'll definitely hit you up for some mixes too breh. What kind of stuff were you messing with?

@frush11 Yezzir, that's exactly the comp I was referring to. Such a dope collection of tunes on that. I could never get into the Breakbeat Era album for some reason though, but Coded Language is outstanding. Do you have that on wax? I've read that the tunes are a lot longer than the CD version. Been meaning to check that out.

i have coded language on wax and to be honest the tunes are slightly longer and very dj oriented. beautiful album. breakbeat era sucked, maybe die had more input on that one but that shyt just wasnt the bizniz son.

smh if you got the ninjatune hookup like that get at me, i got a distobution deal with sony/orchard for my upcoming album but if you got something for ninjatune i have the resume for real. PM me