What Do You Believe In...7th or Hell?: The OFFICIAL 2014-15 Boston Celtics Thread

[William F. Russell]

Maybe but point is Rondo would have to put up MVP type stats to get in,cuz we know NBA coaches (dont agree with it) favor guys on winning teams.
Thats already goin to work against him...

Wrong.

Kyrie Irving was an all-star last year and the Cavs were a lottery team. And while he had great numbers, they weren't MVP worthy. And he was injured at different points in the season.

 

[Miggs]

Wrong.

Kyrie Irving was an all-star last year and the Cavs were a lottery team. And while he had great numbers, they weren't MVP worthy. And he was injured at different points in the season.

He had good numbers,generally speaking coaches will take players on playoff teams over guys on bad teams IE Cousins...

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

I'd rather us be complete trash and draft Okafor or Towns but I think Stevens will want to have as good of a season as possible to establish some cred as an NBA coach and will keep players fresh enough to get some wins..32-50

 

[William F. Russell]

Not happening. We're not going to be a playoff team and those will be empty stats...stats that he probably won't get to anyway...not to mention the fact he may not even play in more than 60 games this year (if that). He's more likely to be around 10/10/3/1.5. Irving, Wall, Rose and Lowry all will have better stats and be on better teams.

1. You don't have to be on a playoff team to be an all star. See: Irving, Love, and Kobe.

2. Who's to say he won't get 14/11/5/2? Last season he got 12/10/5/1 in under 40 games upon his return from injury. I don't know where you're getting a prediction of 10/10/3/1.5. And you have to remember that this is a CONTRACT YEAR for him. He wants to get paid.

3. Irving's stats won't be as good individually with LeBron and Kevin Love around. That's obvious. Rose has to redeem himself after virtually missing 2 years in the NBA. We'll see how he does. Wall's stats will be good but not godly (he only averaged 19/9/4 last season). And he's not as good a floor general/playmaker as Rondo is. Lowry is good but let's see how he does now that the league is on notice about him. Yes, Rose, Wall, and Lowry will be on better teams but that's certainly not the end all, be all. Players on lottery teams have made the ASG in the past and will continue to make ASGs. Don't be naive.

It's foolish to discount Rondo. When healthy, he's a top 5 PG.

But we can agree to disagree.

 

[Miggs]

Wrong on both counts.

1. Lowry just broke out last season. Teams are now going to focus on him and we'll see how he responds. Rondo is still a better playmaker than Lowry and has a higher b-ball IQ. And a better defender. Likewise, although Wall is a better scorer than Rondo, he's not as good a defender, doesn't have Rondo's b-ball IQ, and has no influence in the game if the defense shuts him down offensively. Also, Wall's jump shot isn't consistent. He's more of a slasher/rim attacker.

2. As explained before, Rondo DOES have a jump shot. This has been proven. Watch the 2012 NBA playoffs. Or the 2013 season until his injury. Dude can shoot, it's just that he doesn't shoot enough.

We can agree to disagree but in no way, shape, or form are either Lowry or Wall better than Rondo. And that's before we talk about Rondo's individual accolades and playoff stats.

*FILED*

This will be upped during the season...

He dont shoot cuz he cant hit wide open 15 footers which is why teams give them to him...

 

[William F. Russell]

He had good numbers,generally speaking coaches will take players on playoff teams over guys on bad teams IE Cousins...

21/6/4 are good numbers. But you act like they're unattainable or MVP worthy. Plenty of decent/mediocre players have averaged those numbers in a season.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

1. You don't have to be on a playoff team to be an all star. See: Irving, Love, and Kobe.

2. Who's to say he won't get 14/11/5/2? Last season he got 12/10/5/1 in under 40 games upon his return from injury. I don't know where you're getting a prediction of 10/10/3/1.5. And you have to remember that this is a CONTRACT YEAR for him. He wants to get paid.

3. Irving's stats won't be as good individually with LeBron and Kevin Love around. That's obvious. Rose has to redeem himself after virtually missing 2 years in the NBA. We'll see how he does. Wall's stats will be good but not godly (he only averaged 19/9/4 last season). And he's not as good a floor general/playmaker as Rondo is. Lowry is good but let's see how he does now that the league is on notice about him. Yes, Rose, Wall, and Lowry will be on better teams but that's certainly not the end all, be all. Players on lottery teams have made the ASG in the past and will continue to make ASGs. Don't be naive.

It's foolish to discount Rondo. When healthy, he's a top 5 PG.

But we can agree to disagree.

1. I realize but he wont have the numbers to beat out Wall/Rose/Irving/Lowry etc.
2. Im getting that because the team is no more or less better than last year. Now there is more congestion in the backcourt and he won't have the MPG to post those numbers.
3. Im not naive. Im realistic. Theres too much clutter on this team and Stevens likes to play a ton of players between 20-30 MPG. Those players who made it on lottery teams generally are playing 35 MPG with no competition on their squad for shots as a first option. Rondo is not going to get 35 MPG nor is he a scoring PG. You're being naive.

 

[William F. Russell]

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This will be upped during the season...

He dont shoot cuz he cant hit wide open 15 footers which is why teams give them to him...

That's fine. I hope my post is filed.

And anybody who actually follows the Celtics will tell you that Rondo has decent mid-range shooting. He just always looks to pass first and ends up passing off those 15-ft shots. But if you watched him in the last 2 years before his injury, you'd see that he actually nails those shots.

During the 2012 playoffs (when they made it to the ECF), Doc was telling/urging him to shoot MORE.

If he can't shoot, why would Doc be asking him to shoot more and look for his shot?

 

[Miggs]

21/6/4 are good numbers. But you act like they're unattainable or MVP worthy. Plenty of decent/mediocre players have averaged those numbers in a season.

WTF stop arguing the damn exception to the rule....As a rule NBA coaches generally take players on winning teams.Dont mean occasionally Irving or Love wont get picked...

Irving shouldnt have made it over Lowry last year neither should Joe Johnson,point remains...

 

[I.V.]

The coaching is good enough on this team to exceed the 26 wins in my opinion.

Yeah, I could see them hovering in the 30 range, at a max. The coaching staff is great... but 32 wins is not in their best interest.

I'd put money on it, but the future of this team is too unpredictable with so many potential trades between now and February that I can't. There's really not one player on this team I could guarantee you will still be on the roster after the deadline.

True. Danny Ainge is one of the best in the NBA, and he's not likely to stand pat.

But I can especially seeing Brad being able to put Marcus Thornton is a position that plays off his strengths and they are able to trade him for picks at some point.

A possibility. Though the new culture of pick-hoarding may make it tough. I feel like Thornton is the kind of player that always finds SOMEBODY to entice.

I'd love to see Gerald Wallace's salary off the books at some point before the trade deadline as well.

Horrible.

I think the goal is to get a top 3 pick (and hopefully a center there) and add some big free agent pieces in the offseason but Brad Stevens doesn't take losing well so who knows... Either way, the Celtics are set up nicely for the future

I think WILL be set up nicely for the future with a top pick. If they end up with the 7th pick? All of the sudden you're looking at a dearth of talent. You NEED a star talent from this draft, and you need it to be somebody that can play the 5.


I'm interested to hear where I'm wrong about Smart, though. Because I like him.

Do tell.

 

[Miggs]

That's fine. I hope my post is filed.

And anybody who actually follows the Celtics will tell you that Rondo has decent mid-range shooting. He just always looks to pass first and ends up passing off those 15-ft shots. But if you watched him in the last 2 years before his injury, you'd see that he actually nails those shots.

During the 2012 playoffs (when they made it to the ECF), Doc was telling/urging him to shoot MORE.

If he can't shoot, why would Doc be asking him to shoot more and look for his shot?

I never trust FG% when talking about Rondo cuz it skewers the argument.He % would lead you to believe his mid range is decent but he makes alot of layups and gets into the paint....I have watched him enough for years brick wide open elbow jumpers to know what it is...

 

[William F. Russell]

1. I realize but he wont have the numbers to beat out Wall/Rose/Irving/Lowry etc.
2. Im getting that because the team is no more or less better than last year. Now there is more congestion in the backcourt and he won't have the MPG to post those numbers.
3. Im not naive. Im realistic. Theres too much clutter on this team and Stevens likes to play a ton of players between 20-30 MPG. Those players who made it on lottery teams generally are playing 35 MPG with no competition on their squad for shots as a first option. Rondo is not going to get 35 MPG nor is he a scoring PG. You're being naive.

1. What numbers are Rose and Irving going to have? Please tell me so they don't have to play the games.
You act like their teams haven't changed. Rose needs to prove that he can stay healthy and still contribute offensively like he did pre-injury. Irving's stats (at least scoring-wise) will go down. It's the Lebron and Kevin Love effect. Irving's stats probably won't be as good individually. Rose probably won't be either. In then 10-15 games he played before he suffered an injury again, he was averaging 15 and 6. He needs to redeem himself and won't be a lock (unless he's voted in by fans).

2. Again, Rondo averaged 12/10/5/1 in under 40 games. And towards the end of the season, he was averaging close to 14/11/6/2. Even if the team hasn't changed (but it kinda did), a HEALTHY Rondo will be able to gather pretty good individual stats. You don't think a HEALTHY Rondo won't do better than last season's averages, given that it's a CONTRACT YEAR?

3. Stevens WILL NOT limit Rondo's minutes to 20-30mpg. Not if he values his job. Not if they're even considering flipping Rondo and want to net the biggest return possible for him. This is the year where Rondo HAS TO ball out. He's the clear-cut best player on the Celtics. Seriously, him not getting 35mpg is ridiculous.

4. Jason Kidd wasn't a scoring PG and he still made ASGs. Rondo is probably the closest player to J Kidd in his prime in today's league. Yes, the Nets were a playoff team but the point is that J Kidd's stats were great enough for him to stand out individually. Similarly, Rondo's numbers will likely allow him to stand out individually, despite being on the Celtics.

We can agree to disagree.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Agree to disagree.

But stats alone will get him in, assuming he averages something like 14pts/11asts/5rebs/2stls; that surely beats most (if not all PGs) in the East. The only PGs who are ahead of Rondo for the ASG are Kyrie Irving and Derrick Rose (and even Rose has to re-establish himself as a premier PG in the league). Remember, coaches choose ASG reserves. Rondo has as good a shot as any PG to be an all-star. It's foolish to write off Rondo.

Also, Joe Johnson is old. Deron Williams is getting old and is too injury-prone. Dwyane Wade is old and his best days are behind him.

This might be the most inaccurate thing I've seen this year. In fact all the shyt you've just posted about Rondo is @Swagnificent status.

 

[William F. Russell]

This might be the most inaccurate thing I've seen this year. In fact all the shyt you've just posted about Rondo is @Swagnificent status.

Everybody thinks he's a genius.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Everybody thinks he's a genius.

Rondo will not be an All-Star this season. Put your account up.